Green should disallow GINA

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Ashenden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I use GINA on Blue. There is no pity party. He asked what advantages it gives and I listed advantages it gives me over someone not using it off the top of my head.

That speech is a little yeesh. Righteous path? Sorry the idea of someone suggesting logging be turned off makes you this upset.

People act like the entire classic experience hinges on an OPTIONAL program that doesn't affect them if other people use it. That's why I get upset.

If they don't want to use it they don't have to. If other people use it, it really doesn't affect them.

It's going to be the year 2020. It's not 1999
Whis isnt'a a Whatifism or w.e y'all call it. It's a fact. And i'm DEBATING this threads ideal with facts. Not feelings.

[Fammaden]

You can't "ban" GINA without banning log parsing because that's all the program really does in terms of interacting with the game client. So there's no way to prevent it other than taking away our log reading.

Log reading and parsing wasn't banned in the classic era and it won't be banned here. While I understand why can GINA rub players the wrong way, its simply not going anywhere.

I don't use it, don't really want to, choose not to play classes where it tends to be "required" at the higher level, but I don't fault others for it either. I wouldn't mind getting the discord overlay to work on P99 though.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can't "ban" GINA without banning log parsing because that's all the program really does in terms of interacting with the game client. So there's no way to prevent it other than taking away our log reading.

They actually know how to limit what's sent to the log file. But that in it self would be not classic.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But that in it self would be not classic.

Classic went out the window a long time ago. That sky darkness patch that's specifically designed to unclassicly prevent people from using gamma adjustments to bypass it is effectively the same sort of issue but with the opposite solution--preventing the use, even the classic use--of outside-game hardware of software from being able to be used in-game.

"If you don't like it don't use it" is the most worthless and bankrupt argument I've ever seen when it comes to video game cheat modes. Don't like that headshot box cheat in a shooter? Don't use it! Don't complain that everyone else has it! Let's be real here, some of what GINA can do is absolutely within cheat-mode territory. I understand some players are terrible at the game and need any crutch they can find. Ok....but admit it and call a duck a duck.

I agree with the original post. The map overlays/timers/etc should not be permitted and should very much be interpreted as a third-party cheat.

Danth

[Ashenden]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't mind getting the discord overlay to work on P99 though.

Wouldn't that be lovely. RTSS can inject and overlay inside of P99 just fine, cmon Discord devs.

[bum3]

I had a friend pay for college by using a verbal log reader and speech to text program. He had setups for almost every high end camp he could duo monk/shammy. AFK farming at it's best.

[Arvan]

*shrug*

The noobs that need the crutch will use it and the old timers will play classic. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[brokenpromise]

I kinda feel like you're a shook pleb if you arent using things like Gina. They are tools to help you play and perform as efficiently as possible. If you the type to lean back in your computer chair and get teary eyed and nostalgic with 20 year old memories of you sitting in your computer chair playing elf sim, that's fine.

[Tenlaar]

When the devs say "you're not supposed to know buff timers so we've taken them out" and your response is "okay I'll use a third party program to tell me the buff timers anyway" then you are cheating. You are using a third party program in order to gain an advantage that you are not supposed to have, even if you want to argue that you're only cheating in spirit and not by the letter of the law because devs have not taken action against you for it.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the devs say "you're not supposed to know buff timers so we've taken them out" and your response is "okay I'll use a third party program to tell me the buff timers anyway" then you are cheating. You are using a third party program in order to gain an advantage that you are not supposed to have, even if you want to argue that you're only cheating in spirit and not by the letter of the law because devs have not taken action against you for it.

ban clocks, and brains