Green should disallow GINA

[Trollhide]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe an Association fallacy; the guy wants to remove something that didn't exist in 1999, so people pitch other stuff that didn't exist in 1999 (good internet, good computers) to make him look stupid.

honestly Baler for such a #classic champion, you're disappointing here.
if "some programs" existed in 1999 also to do similar things, then use these programs. GINA is not classic, and there is no way you can defend this.

and i'll pitch an association fallacy in there because we're having fun:

if you're defending GINA as something classic that we should be able to use in 2019, then you're defending the compass (we could use something similar in 99!), the Ctrl+M maps (we all had maps in 99!) and everything else you're fighting against.

GINA did not exist in 1999 and is not classic, period.
if other classic tools existed at the time, then use these classic tools.

my2¢

What if we got a Rain Man playin EQ that can just read the chat window and immediately calculate all the information GINA provides in his head - should he be banned from playing EQ?

All it's doing is aggregating freely available information.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Trollhide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if we got a Rain Man playin EQ that can just read the chat window and immediately calculate all the information GINA provides in his head - should he be banned from playing EQ?

All it's doing is aggregating freely available information.

Stop trying to equate thinking with using third party programs, it's asinine.

[Baler]

here's an extreme
Project 1999 didn't exist during classic, therefor not classic.

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[Gustoo]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Project 1999 didn't exist during classic, therefor not classic.

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Shut her down boys.

[zodium]

Originally Posted by Baler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's an extreme
Project 1999 didn't exist during classic, therefor not classic.

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MODS delete this post before nilbog and rogeman see it and are forced to return to the bizarro dimension

[Dolalin]

I think there is a case for disabling log output to disk for a period of time. Maybe up until Kunark or Velious.

GINA is not in the spirit of classic EQ. Period.

But of course I am not a dev.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by Ashenden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love that when people disagree with a change they take it to the absolute extreme via things like resolution and internet speed to try and make it sound dumb.

Is there a name for that kind of argument?

Reductio ad Absurdum, a common thing nowadays especially in political ... lets call them "discussions". The goal is to reduce a point to its most simplistic state and then take it to 11 on the absurdity scale, in order to prove that the point itself is silly.

It is also a low form of debate and is often used as a haughty dismissal rather than a tool to add to a discussion, but that's just like, my opinion, man.

[Canelek]

As far as GINA, I guess I don't care. It doesn't affect anyone else as far as I can tell. Baler's egg timer is certainly more classic, but it accomplishes the same thing--you'd just need more egg timers, labels, and hand speed. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ashenden]

I'd say the prevalence of GINA has an effect on the entire server. I doubt people in Velious had visual countdown bars for every cast of CH while they were (trying not to explode their computer) fighting Avatar of War.

Bring back Sirken's quest to kill GINA.

[AbstractVision]

What makes GINA different from the old log parsers is that it overlays essentially augmenting P99. When you can cast mez on six different targets and different times throughout the fight and know when each one of those is going to break down to the exact second, yes thats an unfair advantage.