Bard Wurf with AOE nerf?

[Legidias]

Even besides AE kiting, bard charm kiting is the most efficient out of any charms, in any era. Up to 20 ish, most melees will be doing similar damage due to lack of gearing. If anything, a bard meleeing + singing dmg song (maybe swapping out instrument on pulse) would outdamage normal melee at lower levels.

With 0 gear, bard also has the best sustain as they gear regen song so early.

So, even just solo, they would fare way better than basically all the other melee classes at lower levels. Once you get to 20's, just look forward to mana free charming to 50.


(Also, I tank HoT and planar stuff fine on bard, holding aggro ez pz from time 0. Did tank Vindi once from about 30% to dead. Still need bladestoppers cause I want to do VS.)

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even besides AE kiting, bard charm kiting is the most efficient out of any charms, in any era. Up to 20 ish, most melees will be doing similar damage due to lack of gearing. If anything, a bard meleeing + singing dmg song (maybe swapping out instrument on pulse) would outdamage normal melee at lower levels.

With 0 gear, bard also has the best sustain as they gear regen song so early.

So, even just solo, they would fare way better than basically all the other melee classes at lower levels. Once you get to 20's, just look forward to mana free charming to 50.


(Also, I tank HoT and planar stuff fine on bard, holding aggro ez pz from time 0. Did tank Vindi once from about 30% to dead. Still need bladestoppers cause I want to do VS.)

Very nice! This is with Velious raid gear or when could you efficiently tank planar?

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by Darksinga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very nice! This is with Velious raid gear or when could you efficiently tank planar?

I could tank Seb / KC pretty easily in crusty. Mobs die pretty fast and come in pre-slowed since you use that song to aggro, which is another benefit over a traditional tank needing to generate aggro before shaman / ench slow. Once I got some thurg stuff (which I really dont qualify as raid gear) you can tank most non-raid mobs including HoT and planar. You just get better after that with raid gear.

Vindi specifically is great since bards are honestly the best enrage tankers. Max aggro with full confidence vindi wont turn around without any sort of white damage / procs that warriors rely on.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could tank Seb / KC pretty easily in crusty. Mobs die pretty fast and come in pre-slowed since you use that song to aggro, which is another benefit over a traditional tank needing to generate aggro before shaman / ench slow. Once I got some thurg stuff (which I really dont qualify as raid gear) you can tank most non-raid mobs including HoT and planar. You just get better after that with raid gear.

I started tanking Seb and The Hole on my bard at 54 during Kunark with honestly pretty crap gear. A few nice pieces, mostly mediocre Kunark gear with a focus on AC and sta/hp. So many people underestimate how well bards can tank because a lot of it doesn't come through raw damage mitigation like with warrior/knights.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I started tanking Seb and The Hole on my bard at 54 during Kunark with honestly pretty crap gear. A few nice pieces, mostly mediocre Kunark gear with a focus on AC and sta/hp. So many people underestimate how well bards can tank because a lot of it doesn't come through raw damage mitigation like with warrior/knights.

Good to know! May have to bring out the shield come launch and play Bard a way I've never done before.

[Tenlaar]

You started off asking if bards are still worth playing because you can't AoE down huge packs and be "the king of solo xp." You then responded to being told that bards can be great group tanks in classic content by scoffing at the idea, acting like the people who said it don't know what they're talking about, and saying that you'd rather have an enchanter tanking because at least they can stun.

You have shown a lack of knowledge about what bards can do in classic eras and you have shown a willful ignorance with the way that you responded to people calling you out for it.

[Darksinga]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You started off asking if bards are still worth playing because you can't AoE down huge packs and be "the king of solo xp." You then responded to being told that bards can be great group tanks in classic content by scoffing at the idea, acting like the people who said it don't know what they're talking about, and saying that you'd rather have an enchanter tanking because at least they can stun.

You have shown a lack of knowledge about what bards can do in classic eras and you have shown a willful ignorance with the way that you responded to people calling you out for it.

First semi-non-angry post of the thread. Congratulations, Tenlaar!

[Tenlaar]

And not your first refusal to acknowledge that you're wrong about bard capabilities and you were wrong to react the way that you did to people telling you as much.

Still sticking by your statement that you'd rather have an enchanter tanking for a group?