Definite Iksar Vs. Necro Answer?

[uygi]

Iksar unequivocally best, but you know that and everybody keeps telling you anyways.

My strong vote is gnome for a day 1 necro. Wall-vision is super useful. I think they can bank/buy/sell in more places with less work, but I haven’t played an evil gnome in a really long time. Tinkering is great, and in a pinch that stalking probe is a ghetto-but-cheap elder beads alternative.

[DMN]

Necro will generally be able to turn every 1 hitpoint into 1 mana, and 1 mana into 2 hitpoints.

If you do a bit of math you end up with Iksar's being able to regenerate mana 10% more efficiently than a non iksar with lich+ meditating.

Not really that much, frankly, but if you are OCD maybe it bothers you too much. And if you like to group/do guild things, you will generally always have regeneration going to offset lich anyway.

[Tist]

Iksars are godly, no doubt about it. Not sure any other race can compare sadly. I would go for gnome if I had to for solo dungeon crawling.

[Baler]

I have argued about a lot of race/class combos..

But if you argue against Iksar necro. Ur dum

no troll

[Vexenu]

And for example if you're charming you will be doing a lot of lifetapping anyway to finish off mobs. So what happens is that as an Iksar you just don't need the full benefit of the lifetap as much as the Erudite, but you still have to cast the spell anyway to finish off the charm kill. So in that case the Iksar really isn't much more efficient anyway.

[TROUNCE]

Something I don't see people considering is that Necros were not balanced around iksar regen. While this is exactly what makes iksar superior, it is not necessarily the way necromancers were originally designed to be played. I think rolling non-iksar is a more true representation of the intended necromancer experience, from a design point of view.

Health is just a resource. Necromancers know this best. The difference between having 0 to 1 hp is infinitely more meaningful than 1 to 999999999 hit points. Non-iksar will find themselves at lower hp more often, yes. But they will find themselves at 0 hp roughly the same.

Also, assuming you take a necro to 50 before kunark, you have to weigh whether the extra time you spend medding your non-iksar over the course of your characters lifetime will be less than, equal, or more than the time it takes to level a second necro with an extra 20% exp pentalty to 50. I would wager iksar isn't worth that hastle if you want to make a necro day 1 of green.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And for example if you're charming you will be doing a lot of lifetapping anyway to finish off mobs. So what happens is that as an Iksar you just don't need the full benefit of the lifetap as much as the Erudite, but you still have to cast the spell anyway to finish off the charm kill. So in that case the Iksar really isn't much more efficient anyway.

I suspect this is where I’ll be, not sure how viable charm is in this era for undead but in pop and luclin, I spent the majority of 40+ charming undead.

[Natewest1987]

Thanks all for the replies. I’m leaning towards erudite or dark elf, at the moment. But for a final judgement... is the benefit of Iksar vs Erudite or dark elf, so great that I should just avoid necro completely until Kunark ? I doubt I will actually level up two Necromancers, but I could maybe feel inclined to do that if I were able to get enough twink gear by the time Kunark pops out.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Natewest1987 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks all for the replies. I’m leaning towards erudite or dark elf, at the moment. But for a final judgement... is the benefit of Iksar vs Erudite or dark elf, so great that I should just avoid necro completely until Kunark ? I doubt I will actually level up two Necromancers, but I could maybe feel inclined to do that if I were able to get enough twink gear by the time Kunark pops out.

I mean what is your alternative? Even without Iksar racials Necros are one of the strongest classes in vanilla EQ. And as has been pointed out, there is nothing an Iksar Necro can do that an Erudite/Dark Elf Necro cannot. The only difference is you will have to lifetap more with a non-Iksar, which itself is not a huge issue 50+ because you will likely be charm soloing and/or grouping in which case you will be life-tapping a lot anyway.

[Natewest1987]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean what is your alternative? Even without Iksar racials Necros are one of the strongest classes in vanilla EQ. And as has been pointed out, there is nothing an Iksar Necro can do that an Erudite/Dark Elf Necro cannot. The only difference is you will have to lifetap more with a non-Iksar, which itself is not a huge issue 50+ because you will likely be charm soloing and/or grouping in which case you will be life-tapping a lot anyway.

Alternative being to just find another class in the meantime if being a non Iksar was too big of a issue. It did seem like the opinions were split. I just have quite a few memories of dying from AFK or alt tab Liching, even on an Iksar / i suck. Lol.

I’ve read some horror stories of people getting to 60 and then just refilling because kisses are allegedly so superior. Really trying to avoid that