Mages in classic

[Vyal]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The butthurt in your post is palpable.


AoE's weren't nerfed 'just cause', there was evidence that it was accurate for the era, as you well know from your pages long cryfest of a thread. Speculating that anyone that can solo a valuable camp is getting nerfed is childish and unrealistic.

Tch this is what's happening so don't call it unrealistic.

Keep trolling me stupid clown. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[skorge]

Originally Posted by Vyal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mages become even more powerful after Kunark.
However you should understand one thing and that is the odds are very high mages here will end up being castrated at some point much like bards were.
There are many tricks to mages using CoH and if those tricks get used by many mages I would expect them to put time limits on the spell like it can only be used once every 5 minutes or something "for the spirit of the game" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the mage epic pet is an absolute monster imagine Vel ain't coming out for years but you got that epic mage pet. You can pretty much camp GEBs and let the pet solo everything but of course there is probably some weird rule that says it ain't "in the spirit of the game" to do that and therefore you won't be able to camp an item over and over again. There's a bunch of lists and once you get the drop you've got to give up the camp for the next guy on the list or something.

As for OP
Mages are beasts during the start if you know all the right spots to level you'll be able to hit 30 in less then a week and be down to sit on the evil eye spawn.

From maybe 20 - 30 you could sit in Qeynos Hills and kill the Millers and with the lists the way they are just as soon as you go into the zone claim the Pyzjn camp and if the GBS drops well it's all yours. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Then head off to lower guk get your Manastone because LISTS and the rest is incredibly easy you could just kill guards to 50 or so and make tons of plat selling the weapons.
Then you've got your first character done who can do just about anything and is incredibly easy to play and it's time to go make a monk or necro.
Then cleric and then druid.

Don't waste time on a bard that class has been castrated which is probably going to happen to any class that has the ability to level fast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really think there will be a list for Pyzjn? Lol, what makes you think that? The list is only for "limited time items." Maybe you should actually read before you make a post so butthurt I can actually taste the tears.

[Vexenu]

Even in Kunark and Velious Mages will out-damage all but the best geared Monks and Rogues in all groupable and light-raid content. Even without the Epic pet, a focused 60 water pet is quite beastly. Then add in the DS, nukes and clickie nukes. It's a ton of sustained damage. And Mages are also quite capable soloers and plat farmers, certainly far better than Monks and Rogues at both.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even in Kunark and Velious Mages will out-damage all but the best geared Monks and Rogues in all groupable and light-raid content. Even without the Epic pet, a focused 60 water pet is quite beastly. Then add in the DS, nukes and clickie nukes. It's a ton of sustained damage. And Mages are also quite capable soloers and plat farmers, certainly far better than Monks and Rogues at both.

Ok this is just not true - a 60 velious rogue with just average gear will highly outparse a focused 60 water pet.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok this is just not true - a 60 velious rogue with just average gear will highly outparse a focused 60 water pet.

The focused 60 water pet quads for 70, procs for 100 something and backstabs for over 200. With Burnout IV, a muzzle and Shaman buffs it is crazy DPS. Then factor in the damage from the Mage DS and nukes. And consider the Mage clickie nukes like Velk boots (35 DPS) and burnt wood staff (25 DPS).

Mages are DPS monsters.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The focused 60 water pet quads for 70, procs for 100 something and backstabs for over 200. With Burnout IV, a muzzle and Shaman buffs it is crazy DPS. Then factor in the damage from the Mage DS and nukes. And consider the Mage clickie nukes like Velk boots (35 DPS) and burnt wood staff (25 DPS).

Mages are DPS monsters.

You can /tgb on pets too now. Cast cotp and son on your pet for massive +attack. And get that shaman to avatar your pet not the dumb ranger while your at it. If that ranger wants avatar he can go sock ST!

This advice is of course most relevent to late green, and assuming (what i believe to be) the bug allowing pets to be TGBd doesn't get resolved.

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can /tgb on pets too now. Cast cotp and son on your pet for massive +attack. And get that shaman to avatar your pet not the dumb ranger while your at it. If that ranger wants avatar he can go sock ST!

This advice is of course most relevent to late green, and assuming (what i believe to be) the bug allowing pets to be TGBd doesn't get resolved.

I wish I understood a word you just typed.

What's TGB?
What's COTP?
What does it mean to "sock ST"?

[Vexenu]

Smart Mages aren't going to be soloing on Green anyway. They're going to be duoing with another Mage, a Cleric or a Druid. All super easy and powerful duos that require zero gear to hit 50.

The lack of CC on Mages is really overblown, especially while leveling. Can you make one friend who can root? Even some lowly Wizard? There, problem solved. Or better yet find any Priest (who can heal AND root) and you cover all the important group necessities by yourselves (tank, DPS, heals, adequate CC).

I swore I wasn't going to go the cheese route and roll a Mage on Green, but I'm talking myself into it, damnit.

[Nagoya]

Hey I didn't want to start some Mage bashing.
I only said I didn't like the gameplay, not that their gameplay was bad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Let's just say that the killing method is pretty linear and they don't have much variety in their spellbook. You almost have access to all your tools by level 16.
DD, DS, Pets...
For me the fun part was summoning stuff, like bandages etc.
But in the end you're mostly managing a pet, and not so much summoning stuff ^^;
My best friend absolutely loved his mage on p99 tho, and is always bragging about how powerful and fun she was to level up, so YMMV!

+1 to the poster above who said that Mages shine in duo/trio - super important point. Mages are not a solo class, they're a small group class.

[Videri]

Good insights about mages, folks.

Also, people are often worried about whether they can solo due to their RL constraints.

On Green, whether we can solo won't be our problem. XD