Why are p99 devs trying to make Green non-classic and ignoring proof?

[cd288]

Kind of late to the party here, but figured I'd throw in my two cents as someone who was part of the CSR team back in the day in EQ. OP makes a lot of statements about how the whole KSing and "competition" dynamic was "sanctioned" by the devs and was intended by the devs to be how EQ played. He also mentions how camps were never intended to be a thing and people were expected to just run around all over.

He is correct that camps were never meant to be a thing, because the devs didn't predict that's how players would handle the game. However, that doesn't mean that the game was intended to be a free-for-all kill stealing fest.

If the devs had predicted the way people would play the game, I can tell you for 100% fact that the PnP would have been in the game at launch. There were countless conversations at the time about the state of different servers and the kill stealing free-for-all issues that were arising. GMs across all servers were consulted about what they were seeing and how they had handled various different types of scenarios. This is a big part of how the PnP was created. This whole "well you could kill steal and camp steal, etc. at launch so you should be able to do that on P99" is a completely nonsensical argument. It was never actually intended to play that way and when the devs and CSR realized how abusive online gamers could be, they acted to change the rules to prevent that. A PnP would have been in place at launch if we had known how people would behave.

I'll see if I can find any old convos about it from back in the day. I think I may have sent some to my old AOL email address.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kind of late to the party here, but figured I'd throw in my two cents as someone who was part of the CSR team back in the day in EQ. OP makes a lot of statements about how the whole KSing and "competition" dynamic was "sanctioned" by the devs and was intended by the devs to be how EQ played. He also mentions how camps were never intended to be a thing and people were expected to just run around all over.

He is correct that camps were never meant to be a thing, because the devs didn't predict that's how players would handle the game. However, that doesn't mean that the game was intended to be a free-for-all kill stealing fest.

If the devs had predicted the way people would play the game, I can tell you for 100% fact that the PnP would have been in the game at launch. There were countless conversations at the time about the state of different servers and the kill stealing free-for-all issues that were arising. GMs across all servers were consulted about what they were seeing and how they had handled various different types of scenarios. This is a big part of how the PnP was created. This whole "well you could kill steal and camp steal, etc. at launch so you should be able to do that on P99" is a completely nonsensical argument. It was never actually intended to play that way and when the devs and CSR realized how abusive online gamers could be, they acted to change the rules to prevent that. A PnP would have been in place at launch if we had known how people would behave.

I'll see if I can find any old convos about it from back in the day. I think I may have sent some to my old AOL email address.

yeah well your team's lack of common sense despite all of the test servers was probably the only reason everquest became so popular. ever think about that? you people that like heaping on rules into multiplayer games that are supposed to be emergent open world experiences are the whole reason we'll never have another good MMO again.

[Wonkie]

Cecil isn't Cecily's alt?

[Cecily]

I honestly can't tell the difference.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly can't tell the difference.

fool does get fooled again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ashes]

I had forgotten about the institution of the play nice rules, thank you OP— 'all very well said. If there wasnt a bunch of fucking rules the GMs would all but cease to exist so you can't knock their whole hustle either theyre just trying to keep a job, idk why but thats a fact. no rules, no petitions, no GMs, no problem. simple logic there. however anybody feels about it and opinions on what people should or shouldnt do is irrelevant. at the same time the game is gonna be powerfarmed and permacamped by any neckbeard crew regardless of what rules are superimposed onto a pure experience like eq.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Ashes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there wasnt a bunch of fucking rules the GMs would all but cease to exist so you can't knock their whole hustle either theyre just trying to keep a job

They are volunteers, it's not a job.

Also, why did you necro this trainwreck of a thread, jesus.

[Kanuvan]

if you think bringing a warrior even without a penalty is better than bringing a real tank with snap aggro or another dps then you truly are the most idiotic community , warrior serve no purpose in the game right now until the pop is top heavy and only raiding, warriors are trash tier on green/teal

bard with 40% xp penalty > warrior for xp group