30 minutes to reclaim a camp???

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ran into him at HHK, he petitioned a GM, and demanded we abandon 1/2 of the camp spots to him and his non existent group saying we can't claim 4 camp spots. Now I've only been in one group that could do all four spots otherwise warrior room was left alone. Then when we gave him 2 spots, he demands and petitions we move our group, we were here first mind you, so we don't overlap pathing. I'm Sorry you can't make a group move especially after we give you two spots. And if you're afk, that doesn't mean you're entitled to whatever camp you want. He sits afk in HHK. Bad news bears with him.

So apparently this dudes favorite tactic for xping is to use legitimate groups to cushion him in spots he would never be able to handle solo... I can't stand the guy but I even went as far as to try and make amends with him since the server is way to small to hold grudges but he still wanted to be a pompous ass so whatever, he won't last long on here hopefully

[Zuranthium]

Oh boy, it will be fun debunking all the BS here.

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True story... Was lvling my alt with a few people at the scryer camp in guk... We invite some enchanter:::cough::zuranthium::::cough to join our group. This guy doesn't like me so he disbands almost immediately after joining.... Then he petitions and says he wants part of the scryer room.... Well a gm comes along and what do you know we are forced to share with him even tho we were there first... We invited him... And he choose to let personal drama get in the way of a good group... He was the one that disbanded why were we forced to move while he got to reap the benefits of soloing a camp that we broke.... Not really fair but its just how the cookie crumbles

This is hardly the accurate story.

#1 - Someone invited me to come to Guk because they needed an Enchanter. I said "hmm, that's all the way across the World from where I am, I don't think I can." They continued to message me, begging that they needed an Enchanter.

#2 - I finally agreed to come and when I finally got there, I discovered that you were in the group (dead, of course, and running back to the zone). You are not only a terrible player, having caused two separate groups two wipe the day before with bad pulls, but also an awful human being, having tried to continually KS me in the past and then additionally trying to create a train where I was at when I refused to "leave the area". FYI, nobody owns the entire freaking ORC HIGHWAY in Oasis. Get over yourself.

#3 - About the Ghoul, damn right I charmed it and pulled with it. The reason that team died however, is not because of the extra couple adds from roamers that I charmed/rooted, but rather because you started pull all kinds of OTHER things in addition to what was sitting there in front of your face to be killed that I specifically said in team chat "Rooted/Mezzed, take this one next, it's next in line on the timer". After that group died because of you, you tried to come back with another group soon after and died again in about 30 minutes (after which point I formed my own group and Charm pulled for HOURS and we never had a problem with it).

#4 - Back to the Guk timeline: after I decided not to group with you because I dislike awful human beings and didn't want to put my character's life in jeopardy by grouping with a terrible player in the deathbox known as Guk, I decided that I might as well solo there since I had spent so much timing getting there. I am perfectly entitled to solo there, you do not own all of the camps in the dungeon. FYI, I never said I "wanted the scryer room", I simply said that I was going to be fighting in the general area and that if you you tried to KS my mobs again, I would petition you and start charming one of your pulls as my own for every pull of mine that you KSed (until the mattered was solved by a GM).

#5 - You never broke the camp, you were DEAD and everything was re-popped. That's why the group called me to begin with: because you weren't ABLE to break the camp yourselves. And going back the idea of "camping the scryer room", you never had it to to begin with! Some higher level character was camping it! After I started soloing and your group went off to their area, they had to specifically come over and ASK for help to break the camp you were at. After the camp was broken, your group still died anyway about 15 minutes later (hmm wonder why) and then they all left.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ran into him at HHK, he petitioned a GM, and demanded we abandon 1/2 of the camp spots to him and his non existent group saying we can't claim 4 camp spots.

My group was not non-existent; after we got there and started trying to fight I had to make a new one because a certain member of your team kept trying to KS the meager amount of pulls we were attempting to fight and they got fed up with it.

You factually can not claim 4 camp spots unless at least one member from your group is in each of those rooms AND capable of holding down the camp themselves. My "demand" is not out of line with the rules.

Moreover I NEVER demanded you abandon half of the camp spots. The rules say that, yes, my group WAS allowed an even split, but I never even asked for that. I asked for the SMALLEST camp and then HALF of the the second-smallest camp.

This amounted to my group camping 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps and your group still getting 80% of the mobs. Your group couldn't stand someone wanting to share 20% when they were ALLOWED to have 50% and so you started trying to kill steal from my group. It all comes down to your group being spoiled little brats about not getting to power level as fast as you wanted to. That is the entire reason for the conflict. Nothing I did was outside of the rules whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then when we gave him 2 spots, he demands and petitions we move our group, we were here first mind you, so we don't overlap pathing. I'm Sorry you can't make a group move especially after we give you two spots.

I NEVER demanded that you move your group, nor did I petition it. I merely suggested that you should, as it would make things easier for both parties. After the GM came the first time, she had to come back again because your group CONTINUED to try and kill steal from the very small area my group was camping. That is the reason for why the ordeal continued, not because you didn't move.

You also never "gave me 2 spots". A GM specifically forced you to give me 1.5 spots, which were once again the smallest spots and only amounted to a total of 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He sits afk in HHK. Bad news bears with him.

I sat AFK in HHK last night because I didn't want to have to re-cast my pet over and over and over when I logged back in today. It takes forever to get the maximum level Enchanter pet and I had a max level pet before I went to bed. Thus, I went AFK rather than actually logging off.

So to sum up this post - I make completely logical decisions and play completely by the rules. It is dickheads that can't handling sharing who have created all of the messes talked about in this thread.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I specifically said in team chat...

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[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh boy, it will be fun debunking all the BS here.



This is hardly the accurate story.

#1 - Someone invited me to come to Guk because they needed an Enchanter. I said "hmm, that's all the way across the World from where I am, I don't think I can." They continued to message me, begging that they needed an Enchanter.

#2 - I finally agreed to come and when I finally got there, I discovered that you were in the group (dead, of course, and running back to the zone). You are not only a terrible player, having caused two separate groups two wipe the day before with bad pulls, but also an awful human being, having tried to continually KS me in the past and then additionally trying to create a train where I was at when I refused to "leave the area". FYI, nobody owns the entire freaking ORC HIGHWAY in Oasis. Get over yourself.

#3 - About the Ghoul, damn right I charmed it and pulled with it. The reason that team died however, is not because of the extra couple adds from roamers that I charmed/rooted, but rather because you started pull all kinds of OTHER things in addition to what was sitting there in front of your face to be killed that I specifically said in team chat "Rooted/Mezzed, take this one next, it's next in line on the timer". After that group died because of you, you tried to come back with another group soon after and died again in about 30 minutes (after which point I formed my own group and Charm pulled for HOURS and we never had a problem with it).

#4 - Back to the Guk timeline: after I decided not to group with you because I dislike awful human beings and didn't want to put my character's life in jeopardy by grouping with a terrible player in the deathbox known as Guk, I decided that I might as well solo there since I had spent so much timing getting there. I am perfectly entitled to solo there, you do not own all of the camps in the dungeon. FYI, I never said I "wanted the scryer room", I simply said that I was going to be fighting in the general area and that if you you tried to KS my mobs again, I would petition you and start charming one of your pulls as my own for every pull of mine that you KSed (until the mattered was solved by a GM).

#5 - You never broke the camp, you were DEAD and everything was re-popped. That's why the group called me to begin with: because you weren't ABLE to break the camp yourselves. And going back the idea of "camping the scryer room", you never had it to to begin with! Some higher level character was camping it! After I started soloing and your group went off to their area, they had to specifically come over and ASK for help to break the camp you were at. After the camp was broken, your group still died anyway about 15 minutes later (hmm wonder why) and then they all left.



My group was not non-existent; after we got there and started trying to fight I had to make a new one because a certain member of your team kept trying to KS the meager amount of pulls we were attempting to fight and they got fed up with it.

You factually can not claim 4 camp spots unless at least one member from your group is in each of those rooms AND capable of holding down the camp themselves. My "demand" is not out of line with the rules.

Moreover I NEVER demanded you abandon half of the camp spots. The rules say that, yes, my group WAS allowed an even split, but I never even asked for that. I asked for the SMALLEST camp and then HALF of the the second-smallest camp.

This amounted to my group camping 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps and your group still getting 80% of the mobs. Your group couldn't stand someone wanting to share 20% when they were ALLOWED to have 50% and so you started trying to kill steal from my group. It all comes down to your group being spoiled little brats about not getting to power level as fast as you wanted to. That is the entire reason for the conflict. Nothing I did was outside of the rules whatsoever.



I NEVER demanded that you move your group, nor did I petition it. I merely suggested that you should, as it would make things easier for both parties. After the GM came the first time, she had to come back again because your group CONTINUED to try and kill steal from the very small area my group was camping. That is the reason for why the ordeal continued, not because you didn't move.

You also never "gave me 2 spots". A GM specifically forced you to give me 1.5 spots, which were once again the smallest spots and only amounted to a total of 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps.



I sat AFK in HHK last night because I didn't want to have to re-cast my pet over and over and over when I logged back in today. It takes forever to get the maximum level Enchanter pet and I had a max level pet before I went to bed. Thus, I went AFK rather than actually logging off.

So to sum up this post - I make completely logical decisions and play completely by the rules. It is dickheads that can't handling sharing who have created all of the messes talked about in this thread.

Dude you are so off base its not even worth trying to argue anymore but I'm going to anyways. Do you think you are gods fucking gift to eq? Do you think you can just come into any group you and just putting other people at risk because you think you know how to play this game better than we do? You didn't even say you were charming the ghoul nor did you say you were pulling with it. Pulling isn't even your job you damned noob. If you want to play like that do it on your own time
Some of us don't have all day to sit around wasting time chasing corpses because some asshat wants to play god. You are so quick to say I'm the bad player but I'm wondering if you got the stones to back those words up? /duel zarantium

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You didn't even say you were charming the ghoul.

Yes I did. I charmed it before we even got over to the actual camp, as we were on the opposing side of the highway when the group formed and engaged in a fight before getting to camp.

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pulling isn't even your job you damned noob.

It's an outdoor exp group. You pull everything you can handle. I pulled extra to get more exp for everyone. Plus charming is just damn fun. I'm sorry you couldn't handle it; all of the other groups I was in before and after could. The noob thing is to just sit there twiddling your thumbs when you can be doing more. I like to make myself as efficient as possible when I play.

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think you can just come into any group you and just putting other people at risk because you think you know how to play this game better than we do?

I didn't put anyone at risk. It's a wide open area and everyone had SoW. If the charm breaks it's my ass that is dead from charming a Ghoul when it runs over and roots me. That actually did happen to me once, in fact! (@Grodd - LOL, so that's why one of them was being being so troublesome. Well played sir)

[Ishio]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh boy, it will be fun debunking all the BS here.



This is hardly the accurate story.

#1 - Someone invited me to come to Guk because they needed an Enchanter. I said "hmm, that's all the way across the World from where I am, I don't think I can." They continued to message me, begging that they needed an Enchanter.

#2 - I finally agreed to come and when I finally got there, I discovered that you were in the group (dead, of course, and running back to the zone). You are not only a terrible player, having caused two separate groups two wipe the day before with bad pulls, but also an awful human being, having tried to continually KS me in the past and then additionally trying to create a train where I was at when I refused to "leave the area". FYI, nobody owns the entire freaking ORC HIGHWAY in Oasis. Get over yourself.

#3 - About the Ghoul, damn right I charmed it and pulled with it. The reason that team died however, is not because of the extra couple adds from roamers that I charmed/rooted, but rather because you started pull all kinds of OTHER things in addition to what was sitting there in front of your face to be killed that I specifically said in team chat "Rooted/Mezzed, take this one next, it's next in line on the timer". After that group died because of you, you tried to come back with another group soon after and died again in about 30 minutes (after which point I formed my own group and Charm pulled for HOURS and we never had a problem with it).

#4 - Back to the Guk timeline: after I decided not to group with you because I dislike awful human beings and didn't want to put my character's life in jeopardy by grouping with a terrible player in the deathbox known as Guk, I decided that I might as well solo there since I had spent so much timing getting there. I am perfectly entitled to solo there, you do not own all of the camps in the dungeon. FYI, I never said I "wanted the scryer room", I simply said that I was going to be fighting in the general area and that if you you tried to KS my mobs again, I would petition you and start charming one of your pulls as my own for every pull of mine that you KSed (until the mattered was solved by a GM).

#5 - You never broke the camp, you were DEAD and everything was re-popped. That's why the group called me to begin with: because you weren't ABLE to break the camp yourselves. And going back the idea of "camping the scryer room", you never had it to to begin with! Some higher level character was camping it! After I started soloing and your group went off to their area, they had to specifically come over and ASK for help to break the camp you were at. After the camp was broken, your group still died anyway about 15 minutes later (hmm wonder why) and then they all left.



My group was not non-existent; after we got there and started trying to fight I had to make a new one because a certain member of your team kept trying to KS the meager amount of pulls we were attempting to fight and they got fed up with it.

You factually can not claim 4 camp spots unless at least one member from your group is in each of those rooms AND capable of holding down the camp themselves. My "demand" is not out of line with the rules.

Moreover I NEVER demanded you abandon half of the camp spots. The rules say that, yes, my group WAS allowed an even split, but I never even asked for that. I asked for the SMALLEST camp and then HALF of the the second-smallest camp.

This amounted to my group camping 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps and your group still getting 80% of the mobs. Your group couldn't stand someone wanting to share 20% when they were ALLOWED to have 50% and so you started trying to kill steal from my group. It all comes down to your group being spoiled little brats about not getting to power level as fast as you wanted to. That is the entire reason for the conflict. Nothing I did was outside of the rules whatsoever.



I NEVER demanded that you move your group, nor did I petition it. I merely suggested that you should, as it would make things easier for both parties. After the GM came the first time, she had to come back again because your group CONTINUED to try and kill steal from the very small area my group was camping. That is the reason for why the ordeal continued, not because you didn't move.

You also never "gave me 2 spots". A GM specifically forced you to give me 1.5 spots, which were once again the smallest spots and only amounted to a total of 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps.



I sat AFK in HHK last night because I didn't want to have to re-cast my pet over and over and over when I logged back in today. It takes forever to get the maximum level Enchanter pet and I had a max level pet before I went to bed. Thus, I went AFK rather than actually logging off.

So to sum up this post - I make completely logical decisions and play completely by the rules. It is dickheads that can't handling sharing who have created all of the messes talked about in this thread.

Where to start "debunking" your inaccuracies.

Are you saying that your group sits around Norrath and waits for your beck and call? Because I'm pretty sure that it took an hour and a half for your "group" to assemble. Then upon arriving, you guys wiped on the first mob.

We can too hold all 4 camp spots, which my group was doing. In fact we had a 3-5 minute downtime as all the camp spots were taken. It was basically an unwritten rule in this zone for gobby camps. I, nor anyone else I know, has ever heard of gobby camps being split, except to take war room. Moreover, there are no official rules. So theoretically you can jump in and take our mobs, and so can we. So don't be pissy when your group dies, and my tank pulls your camp mobs, while you try to reassemble, which takes another 40 minutes. You did demand I move my group so we don't "overlap" We gave you a whole 2 rooms, you could have moved there. You didn't, not our fault, yet you gave us grief for it. I gave you two spots yesterday.

A GM never talked to me yesterday. Get your facts straight, yet again. You asked three times which spots I was giving you, I told you four times, yet you still persisted and told us which ones you were going to take. So clearly, we have a literacy issue going on here.

Just so you know, AFK does not mean that you are there first. If I AFK in Rathe, does not mean that all the HG's there are mine. If a raid has one PC AFK in Hate does not mean that raid has the zone for them when they feel like it.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure that it took an hour and a half for your "group" to assemble. Then upon arriving, you guys wiped on the first mob.

Once again, after I arrived with my first group, they eventually left because YOUR group was trying to KS everything. It did not take anywhere near an hour and a half for the next group to form although, yes, they did die on the first pull because they didn't know what they were doing at first.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can too hold all 4 camp spots, which my group was doing.

It doesn't matter; that doesn't mean you're allowed to HAVE all 4 camps spots if another group arrives. Unless, again, at least one member from your party is in each of those spots and capable of holding it themselves.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moreover, there are no official rules.

Oh really? http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You did demand I move my group so we don't "overlap" We gave you a whole 2 rooms, you could have moved there. You didn't, not our fault, yet you gave us grief for it. I gave you two spots yesterday.

Nope. I did not demand any such thing or give you any grief at all. I suggested it ONCE, as a the wisest thing to do for all involved, and that was it. And, no, you did not give my group 2 whole rooms either. To reiterate once again, my group took on 1.5 of the camps (the 2 spawns in the small room and the 2 spawns on the right side of the larger open room). This amounted to my group having 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps and your group having 80%. So yet again the problem comes down to YOUR group being greedy, asinine spoiled brats who were mad about not getting to powerlevel as fast as they wanted to.

Also, what are you talking about "we could have moved there"; we already were there...the problem I predicted was that your group would be pulling through the area where our mobs spawned, if you continued to camp where you were at.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A GM never talked to me yesterday. Get your facts straight, yet again. You asked three times which spots I was giving you, I told you four times, yet you still persisted and told us which ones you were going to take. So clearly, we have a literacy issue going on here.

The GM may not have talked to you directly but they certain talked to the person who was directly KSing and then talked to everyone altogether. There is no literacy issue on my end all, rather you tried to go against the defined camps that were setup and tried to say that my group could only take 1 camp (the very smallest one) out of all 4. You are greedy and YOU didn't play according to the rules and you are mad that you had to share. Wah wah wah wah.

Originally Posted by Ishio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just so you know, AFK does not mean that you are there first.

I never said it does. Don't put words in my mouth. I explained exactly why I went AFK. Perhaps it is you who has the literacy issue.

[Ishio]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Once again, after I arrived with my first group, they eventually left because YOUR group was trying to KS everything. It did not take anywhere near an hour and a half for the next group to form although, yes, they did die on the first pull because they didn't know what they were doing at first.

My group wasn't KSing, we were pulling OUR mobs. Sorry you couldn't see that, since all you were seeing was a loading screen.

It doesn't matter; that doesn't mean you're allowed to HAVE all 4 camps spots if another group arrives. Unless, again, at least one member from your party is in each of those spots and capable of holding it themselves.

You die, and then take an hour to regain a new group, you lose it. Sorry.

Nope. I did not demand any such thing or give you any grief at all. I suggested it ONCE, as a the wisest thing to do for all involved, and that was it. And, no, you did not give my group 2 whole rooms either. To reiterate once again, my group took on 1.5 of the camps (the 2 spawns in the small room and the 2 spawns on the right side of the larger open room). This amounted to my group having 20% of the mobs between all 4 camps and your group having 80%. So yet again the problem comes down to YOUR group being greedy, asinine spoiled brats who were mad about not getting to powerlevel as fast as they wanted to.

Spoiled brats being PL'd? Sorry, I must have missed the high level druid or monk in the zone pulling/dsing us. Oh right, there was only a necro taking on the bards/nobles. PLing wasn't happening. Don't be mad bro because I put together a group that doesn't fail. We didn't have 3 rangers, you the chanter, and a druid. We had a tank, heals, mez, and dps. My bad. We weren't being greedy, you guys obviously couldn't handle the "20%" given to you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, what are you talking about "we could have moved there"; we already were there...the problem I predicted was that your group would be pulling through the area where our mobs spawned, if you continued to camp where you were at.

If you were already there, why did my group continue to receive grief?

The GM may not have talked to you directly but they certain talked to the person who was directly KSing and then talked to everyone altogether. There is no literacy issue on my end all, rather you tried to go against the defined camps that were setup and tried to say that my group could only take 1 camp (the very smallest one) out of all 4. You are greedy and YOU didn't play according to the rules and you are mad that you had to share. Wah wah wah wah.

Wow, contradiction much? If I said the GM didn't talk to me and you agreed with me then turn around and said the GM later talked to me, you have terrible resources. The camps weren't set up any particular way. You QQ'd and wasted people's time, when you couldn't even hold yourself in a group when we shared the camp spot. And if my group was there first, we have every right to tell you which camp spots to take. Why should a well defined group give up great camp spots because you came in with a GM hammer behind you. So if I see you there in a group taking on all 4 spots, I can demand you give me the bigger camp sites? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said it does. Don't put words in my mouth. I explained exactly why I went AFK. Perhaps it is you who has the literacy issue.

Sorry, never put words into your mouth. Short term memory loss seems to be an issue. My bad.

[Kassel]

Zuranthium is the worst person on the server.

[Tiggles]

Wow I really hate this man.