Will Hybrid XP penalties be implemented on Green Server launch?

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whether its a dps race or a camp line or a race you will always be beat by the most unshaven and unemployed among us. Tis just the way of things.

This isn't true though. DPS race inherently limits the ability of a single poopsocker. They need to bring in friends if they want to hold down high-priority camps, and if these people are crowding around content that doesn't normally require so much effort, then they are no longer somewhere else in the game world at that point in time. They aren't collectively able to hold down as many camps, and they get far less time to level up twinked alts.

It's true that people who play more and exclusively "power game" the content will generally always have an advantage, but they get the smallest advantage under the classic 1999 ruleset (given that pretty much the entire playerbase now understands the game, and isn't just getting lost in Faydark for days at a time).

What's also true is that the current p99 design goal will NEVER result in a fully satisfying game, regardless of whatever form of PnP it uses. p99 as it stands will never be more than a bottom-barrel drug or a niche museum. But at least it could try to be the most thoughtful version of itself.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one dude wants PNP to be revoked so we can have dps fights to rationalize shitty player behavior

You're trying to rationalize competition and the classic, immersive MMORPG experience as shitty player behavior. Anything that gets in the way of you sitting on your ass and not having to think or be challenged is "bad". Long live the philistines!

The PNP (at least part of it anyway) should be revoked specifically because that's what 1999 EQ was; it's how the game was designed, and p99 is striving to recreate every detail of the game it feasibly can. The anti-truth brigade can try to deny it all you want, but the facts will never change.

If a PNP does exist, it should be the actual classic PNP. Not the garbage unclassic p99 PNP that warps the game and caters to poopsockers. The way people keep trying to ignore this point is very sad.

[aaezil]

Why are you assuming theres just a single person? If rules were dps the nerds would bring more dps than you.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you assuming theres just a single person? If rules were dps the nerds would bring more dps than you.

...you literally just failed to comprehend anything I wrote.

If they bring in more players to contest, then those players are not somewhere else in the game world. If it only normally takes 1 or 2 people to claim a camp, but they instead need 5 or 6 to out-DPS the typical competition, then those extra 4-5 people are not out farming somewhere else or leveling up an alt. 5-6 min/max DPS characters won't win either if a guild decides to "mini-raid" the camp and push them out.

Like I talked about before, competition would be fluid, as there will always be the option to bring in more numbers to initially fight over a camp, but if people are dedicating that many characters to a single camp in the game, then they are inherently losing time/presence elsewhere. So the numbers each "faction" has at a camp will continually change, and when their numbers dwindle after tiring of fighting or thinking they are safe, then even a casual group would have the opportunity to move in and win the camp for a period of time.

[aaezil]

Yeah casuals still lose in that situation so negative comprehension is still on your side of the table mate

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah casuals still lose in that situation so negative comprehension is still on your side of the table mate

Casuals do not lose in that situation, again you fail to comprehend. A casual group of lets say 1 "tank", 2 melee dps, 2 caster dps, and 1 healer can absolutely push 1 or 2 item farmers from a camp. Remember that healers actually have decent "DPS" in these situations, because they get damage spells.

I never said casuals would win an equal amount of the time in every situation, I said they would have opportunities to compete. Having a chance is better than having none.

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For instance newer players without enough friends yet to hold even lower lvl camps

People don't need to "hold" lower level camps. There's plenty of those to go around, if people get off their asses and don't just try to sit in Oasis or Unrest their whole lives. Even in those places, it's not as if it's going to be 100% min/max DPS groups holding everything down 24/7.

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention lvl 60s farming noob zones because they “outdps” and ruin everyone of appropriate levels fun.

Level 60 is not 1999 era, but whatever number this high level this person is, why are they trying to "farm" noob zones (yes I am aware of gnoll fangs and CB belts for alts)? In any case, that behavior is not allowed, this is something that falls under harassment or total zone disruption.

[aaezil]

For instance newer players without enough friends yet to hold even lower lvl camps (remember this is a 10 year old server) or for higher lvl camps everyone thats not in a guild gettng the best dps weps/most amount of warmbodies to fill camps will almost always be on the losing side of dps war.

Not to mention lvl 60s farming noob zones because they “outdps” and ruin everyone of appropriate levels fun.

[Jimjam]

Well you are certainly enthusiastic in the face of adversity.

As such I award you one month of no PNP on green. Obviously CSR is still free to make their own decisions free of PNP guidance as live.

In other news I award Loramin 1 month of rotations on blue.

[Ghilran]

Did you guys know that PNP is not enforced on DBG's official TLP servers? It was very noticeable up until the opening of the Phini server which introduced instances for old world content.

Basically it meant that the raid scene reverted to a big perpetual DPS race, and you found yourself waiting for hours on end with several other guild for a raid target to spawn, trying to KS each other.

I've personally waited in Trak lair for hours with about 200 other characters form a variety of guilds. You can find videos on the tube of VS dying 1/10th of a sec after he spawns.

Interestingly enough, the dungeons/ grouping scene was largely unaffected. People seemed to... play nice with each others.

[Evia]

Even if you're right about claasic 99 eq having no pnp Zura, 95% of the eq player base doesnt remember it that way. I feel like Rogean and Co want to recreate that classic 'feeling' more than be strictly classic (look at all the unclassic changes they made) and the majority of the EQ/p99 player base remembers camp rules and not dps races. P99 already deals with enough toxicity from players....removing pnp policy in favor for dps racing is like throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if you're right about claasic 99 eq having no pnp Zura, 95% of the eq player base doesnt remember it that way. I feel like Rogean and Co want to recreate that classic 'feeling' more than be strictly classic (look at all the unclassic changes they made) and the majority of the EQ/p99 player base remembers camp rules and not dps races.

End argument. This is all that really needs to be said in response to this dude's impassioned pleas for DPS racing.