When I knew we were done

[feniin]

fwiw I don't think there's many people that Riot is actively 'recruiting' as much as people flocking to raid with people who are fun to be around after their guilds stagnate. Aftermath was the only top guild choice for a long time and people stayed with their lower tier guild because they didn't want to play with or be associated with AM. Now that there is a new option people are taking advantage of it.

[DromalPhrenia]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fwiw I don't think there's many people that Riot is actively 'recruiting' as much as people flocking to raid with people who are fun to be around after their guilds stagnate. Aftermath was the only top guild choice for a long time and people stayed with their lower tier guild because they didn't want to play with or be associated with AM. Now that there is a new option people are taking advantage of it.

I have heard applicants in the past say that they had heard a slew of negative things about AM, and were surprised to find none of it true after joining. Ranging from accusations that we cheat and use bannable third-party-programs, to massive toxicity from our officers, to us just generally being hyper-serious angry neckbeard types that will accept nothing less than 24/7 availability to raid. None of which are at all true from my experience in the guild.

These were all pre-riot so I'm not assigning blame there, there just seems to be a very negative view of the guild, at least in some other guilds, that does not mesh with the reality. I know some of it is based in things that were once true (apparently Detoxx used to be very angry, before my time).

On the flip-side of that, we've had applicants that we were warned were awful, just real dickheads who play scummy and treat people like shit. Some of that was described first-hand. They were given a chance anyway, and proved themselves to be helpful and kind and nothing like they were described.

Reading over this post, I'm not sure there's much point to it - just seems like there's a lot of misunderstandings about guilds and about individual players. I don't mind if people don't want to join AM - maybe they don't like that we only allow mains to bid on Vulak loot, maybe our app period is too long, maybe they don't want to be guilded with me (I'm an idiot). But if they think they shouldn't join AM because it's this miserable group of angry neckbeards, being bullied by cruel officers, that's a shame, because I've been very happy in AM, and that's as someone who is less pixel-obsessed than most raiders; so far my only dkp bid was ring 10 (worth it)

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

fwiw I don't think there's many people that Riot is actively 'recruiting' as much as people flocking to raid with people who are fun to be around after their guilds stagnate. Aftermath was the only top guild choice for a long time and people stayed with their lower tier guild because they didn't want to play with or be associated with AM. Now that there is a new option people are taking advantage of it.

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

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[feniin]

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

New Option lol theres always been options outside of AM

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

[Littul Jonn]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

Azure Guard had our moment in the sun, but after we worked our asses off to get there the rooted dragon meta was introduced. We were not willing go take on the large amount of people needed to get dragons at this level at the cost of our identity. Would have been fun to have a few more months of dragon pulls with Core, AG, AM, and PS in the mix but oh well.

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

That's why the devs put so many dragons in NToV. So you'd spend a day oclearing the place, but you'd kill a boatload of dragons at 1-3 drops a piece. It wasn't designed for P99's crazy hyper competitive ways.

[Twochain]

Originally Posted by Littul Jonn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azure Guard had our moment in the sun, but after we worked our asses off to get there the rooted dragon meta was introduced. We were not willing go take on the large amount of people needed to get dragons at this level at the cost of our identity. Would have been fun to have a few more months of dragon pulls with Core, AG, AM, and PS in the mix but oh well.

Quick side note, 70+ people *required* to kill stuff in ToV is too many for a dragon that only drops 1-3 items. AG would field 12 clerics and that still wouldn't be enough, just seems a bit crazy to me. Anyway, a new season is here for p99, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

This is what made me most confused/upset about Braknar wigging out and quitting because "Rogean/Nilbog doesn't even care". AG was JUST starting to get big targets. And... Core was getting big targets too. Tempest had been dead for about 3 weeks (Which is where 90% of raid drama stemmed from.. AM and Tempest disputes) It looked like we were all going to get along. It was shaping up to be a fun era, as 3 guild pull competition was going to be a blast. I distinctly remember AG getting a few Vulaks when you guys were going hard, and I remember Core getting one on the back of (Truly) one of the most impressive plays I've ever seen from Franswa. He died near the door at Eashen (NToV) Vulak was being pulled, and mid pull Dagarn popped and join the train. Vulak was dropped in west by I THINK AG? Who got the initial FTE? Anywho, Franswa dies, zones back in, runs through north door, loots his corpse at Eashen door (I think he only looted his idol, he was naked) Runs BACK to West, FTE'S VULAK + DAGARN, runs the train BACK north, core gets vulak tagged out, and he proceeded to run the whole entire train into the lava and gets core Vulak. It was sick.


I stated my opinion on rooted dragons the day it quaked when it was implemented, that it was a lot of fun but will probably burn people out and might not be the best thing for the scene in the long run. A few months later, I don't think p99 Red has killed a single dragon in NToV.. and p99 blue looks like it will end up being a one guild mega zerg this time next year.


Everyone wants to talk about AM dying right now... yet we have had 10+ applicants this week. We are home to some of the smartest/best players that ever played, and I have no doubt that we will reclaim our throne on the top. We talk shit in RnF, but we also give credit where it's due, and it's pretty much all in good fun. But nobody is bringing up how Rooted dragons essentially forced Core, a guild that was so determined to be one that it stayed together through a 8 year raid ban.. and Paradigm Shift, who had been a pretty good guild, mostly in the 2-4 position to merge almost immediately. A LOT of Officers/Raiders quit in the wake of rooted dragons.
Azure Guard has essentially died as a raiding guild. Most of their best/High% raiders have went to Riot/Am.
Kittens joined in the first couple weeks (Come back! Mew) but haven't seen them since.

At least before, your guild had a chance to kill a mob if you had 10 people who were very active, and 20-30 other people who will log in to a bat phone. Regardless of what guild.

With green coming out, I can't see a lot of people wanting to grind NToV for hours per encounter. It's too OP as it is now. Rooted Dragons, with high agro radius, with insta summon on FTE is a little toooooo much in my opinion. As such you don't see p99 Red raiding at all, and you can't be competitive on some dragons (as of right now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ) without 100+ people. Which is insane.


My suggestions are:
1. Undo rooted dragons completely (My favorite answer... give it another chance!)
2. Unroot the dragons, but make it so they can't leave north
3. Leave it as is, but bring back FTE races w/ 1 hour lockout.



I wrote this long ass post going back and forth between tabs and doing other shit, and i'm not going to re read it. So if anything sounds retarded, just know, that I AM in fact retarded.

Also that p99 is my favorite game of all time, and I deeply appreciate the work the staff does.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the top? Core who was raid banned for their entire existence? Awakened who was raid banned into oblivion? There's never been a competitor who held equal/superior ground and people are finally deciding it's time to move with the new raid meta benefiting greater numbers and 24/7 capability.

Yes theres AG at one point was getting numbers and was a huge threat in sleepers and other tov stuff maybe do a bit of research bro

[Gozuk]

Where the fuck do you guys live that you can only grill for 3 months out of the year?