Bard or Ranger?

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Deezy, do you give your monks CoP. If you did, did they lose it in the process of dying or being debuffed while they were out bringing the mob to you? Were they having the opportunity to have 100% uptime fighting or did they spend part of the fight flopped from the pull? Were you sitting in a bard dps group and/or consistently prebuffed with avatar while the monk team is generally best utilized in a puller group arrangement? Under the right circumstances it’s easy to see how a NToV geared ranger could functionally beat a monk with the same ratios (don’t have their BiS monk specific weapons), but most of those circumstances involve simply benefiting from outside buffs/support and/or simply more available uptime opportunity easily lost because monks were doing that one critical duty that enables the whole raid.

During a raid I always give whatever buff is asked for. After considering the downtime a monk has, in the past I've asked some of them not to pull and stay on a mob 100% of the time. Consistently monks were either on par or came short.

Yes, I always try to keep an avatar buff on myself just like most of the DPS at the raid. While I love being grouped with a bard, I don't often get to since they're usually reserved for cleric and rogue groups. A monk with BIS weapons would probably more consistently do more damage than my ranger, but that would be an unfair comparison when you consider my ranger does not have BIS weapons. I think it might be reasonable to assume a BIS monk would out damage a BIS ranger, but I've never parsed that encounter since I don't know a BIS monk and a BIS ranger.

I understand why you do not believe equally geared and buffed rangers would consistently out damage monks. I didn't believe it myself until I began parsing every single combat scenario. But in my experience and years of parsing these fights I found rangers were doing more damage. Even when taking into account the monk may have been pulling.

It might be prudent to tell you, if I had a IRL superpower, it is making competent spreadsheets.

[Jimjam]

I don't know about bards not being very useful for raids; they sure seem important for resists against some dragons. Klandlicar and Sontalac especially iirc.

Also on the note of bards not needing fungi for KC... I have to admit my ranger never had a fungi but did a load of soloing in KC. I can only imagine how powerful ranger is once you add a fungi to their other sources of regen!

[kuuky]

Now that we know everything there is to know about bards vs rangers courtesy of Troxx and Alleriah lets move on to the real question:

What is better Boutik or A Piece of Poo

1. When Boutik speaks Poo comes out of his mouth

2. A Piece of Poo is exactly that a Piece of Poo

and the winner is in a landslide

A Piece of Poo (seriously you didn't think Boutik would win did you)

[Sajan]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ugh alleriah’s autistic screetching...

[Legidias]

(Notice theres no mention of equal gear or buffs)

[deezy]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Notice theres no mention of equal gear or buffs)

in a raid setting

[Legidias]

A lot of high end geared monks are also utilized for pulling etc, so if they manage to get back in time for fight, they start like 30-60s after a fight has already started (such as zoning out of ToV and zoning back in for coth, etc.)

So when you see in a NToV fight for example rangers beating out the B team monks, well yes. Youre comparing your geared rangers to the next-to best monks that arent in pull team.

[deezy]

tunare doesn't require any pulling, but there are probably better examples of mobs that are easier to get a full parse on.

[feniin]

My 60 ranger parses equal or better to my 60 monk solo and on raids, probably because of the higher attack. Monk is better in every other regard.

[Crede]

Solid advice all, I'm glad I started this post.

I've already created a Ranger(Human of course) and began leveling him.