Anyone else started EQ in P99?

[urbanbo]

I started in June of ’99 on Tholuxe Paells. My coworkers at the time were nonstop talking about it – every – single – day. The thing that clinched it was when they started talking about killing orcs in Crushbone across a bridge and then this guy named Dvinn came out of his castle and killed everyone. I remember starting in Felwithe just in front of the bridge on the right side. I must have stood there for 5 minutes wondering WTF is going on. I also remember how hated wizards were because they could KS everything – even from your group. This was when damage was still calculated individually even if you were in a group.

[Gohie]

Bought my 1st computer in 99 So I can stay up late playing. Picked the Xegony server at random. Did meet my wife 1 or 2 year After playing. Before quitting we play together all the time. Well like most was the people new friends we met along the way

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think where a lot of the P99 elitism comes from is that Live seems like it has driven itself so far from the source.

Ok

Yes, the content is still there, but it's such a deviation from what it used to be. Compound that with the mish-mash of features that came out over however many expansions and it's just a jumble of unplayable nonsense.

"Unplayable nonsense"

I'm sorry, what.

"Unplayable"

...a game that people still play, continue to play, and continue to learn more about to get better at playing...

Is unplayable.

In Live's rush to stay relevant, it tried to take facets from modern MMOs and cram them into EverQuest.

It didn't try, it succeeded at implementing those things.

"cram" has connotations of its own, but the really "bad" stuff that people seem to really dislike around here don't exist on Live, or are entirely optional.

If I wanted to play a modern MMO, I'd play one (but none are very good, which is why I'm here until *cough* Pantheon 2026).

A lot of the vague things people seem to throw out about "modern" MMOs doesn't apply to Live, that I've seen, and a lot of those things are also completely optional.

If you want to run, take a boat, or have a pocket Druid or Wizard to get you around, you can.

I'd also argue that there isn't much adversity left in Live, but I'll concede that I could be wrong there because I haven't played it in ages.

I'm sorry, but what adversity exists on p99 except for starting out with no gear? "Classic" has been catalogued and researched TO DEATH to the point that there's a wiki and also this message board for trivializing anything you're not sure about.

There are things to get you through a lot of levels that don't mean much of anything anymore because the game is focused towards the top end on Live, but good luck not being awful at your class, and even better luck getting into the raid scene.

I just look at it and see it as an abomination

This is the only thing you've said that I can't actually successfully argue against, because it's objective opinion.

You don't like it, and it's fine to say you don't like it, but don't make up justifications out of thin air.

Not liking something is fine. Making things up to rationalize it when it's irrational is not.

It's like you meant to provide an answer for the elitism, and then just...described your own elitism.

[Edwadragon]

Frankly, Sonark, you sound like a Live fanboy. Which is totally fine. I'm a fanboy for plenty of things, but it doesnt mean I'm a buzz kill for those that aren't.

You mention how things are optional which clearly shows you dont get what I or others are saying about adversity. I'm new here but I have to imagine a large part of the reason there is a draw to p99 is you HAVE to do it the hard way, or long way, or the more inconvenient way or janky as fuck way. And also probably because it's not been overcomlicated with system after system. And so that when you reach what ever milestone you want to get to and you see someone at or with that milestone, you have the mutual respect that you both lived through "the grind" and it was the same grind. Not that I optionally decided to make up some hardcore mode only for myself with no reason other than to hamstring myself when compared to everyone else.

You LITERALLY contradicted yourself to that end! You wanna know what's even more optional than taking a boat or druid ring? Use of the wiki you just said trivialized p99. Which I did do by the way till lvl 12 when i realized I should really do some reading and when I realized I screwed up and put 25 int 5 cha on my enchanter instead of vice versa.

If youre going to just walk into a post and on the p99 forums and start whining about all of the p99 elitism and telling everyone their wrong... first maybe look at the top of the page and realize that if there was ever a place for "p99 elitism" it's probably exactly here. And also realize that if you you're going to start throwing around terms like "good luck not being awful at your class, and even better luck getting into the raid scene" maybe you should check your "elitism". What ever that means.

Sincerely,

Everyone who's just here to have a good time with some people they met online.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the only thing you've said that I can't actually successfully argue against, because it's objective opinion.

You think that any of what you posted was a successful argument on your behalf? You're ego is making you delusional. The hilarious irony of the whole thing is 95% of your 'successful' responses were literally your objective opinion. Do you work for daybreak? Cause you're definitely drinking their koolaid.

[d3r14k]

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's like you meant to provide an answer for the elitism, and then just...described your own elitism.

Since you wanted to break down the rest of my post, I'd read this bit again:

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just my two cents.

You seem to be taking this really personally. I wasn't necessarily trying to start an argument, but you look to be doing an Alamo last stand type thing while standing on Live's hill. And frankly, any elitism you accuse me of for stating my opinion seems disingenuous when you respond in kind. I'm glad you enjoy Live and that people still play it. I don't want it to die or anything. But IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, SIR, it's not even remotely the same game other than the EverQuest name.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Edwadragon
TLDR; pretty much started EQ here after seeing it as a kid and I love it. Also, bring adversity back to the MMO genre.... look at the dark souls series... obviously there's a market for those that want a challenge or to beat their head against a wall...

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of that exists on Live.

Literally all of it.

This p99 elitism is really peculiar.

Classic has its rage-inducing moments, but Live doesn't come anywhere close to Dark Souls.

Originally Posted by Sonark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok"Unplayable nonsense"

I'm sorry, what.

"Unplayable"

...a game that people still play, continue to play, and continue to learn more about to get better at playing...

Is unplayable.

Barbie Magic Genie Adventure is also playable, but very few grown men are going to derive any enjoyment out of it unless they have daughters who insist dad plays along and even then... I'm not comparing the two games, just pointing out that you're being argumentative rather than debating the issue, taking what he said literally when it was clearly meant as a figure of speech.

If you want to run, take a boat, or have a pocket Druid or Wizard to get you around, you can.

If you want to, you can. That's a far cry from having to because no other option exists.

I'm sorry, but what adversity exists on p99 except for starting out with no gear?

Night blindness. Book in the face (eventually, hopefully). Hybrid xp penalty (once upon a time). Lackluster bow damage. Limited spell slots. Manual song twisting. Separate banks. Etc.

The fact that you're so offended by what one or two people on here think says a lot. The general public lambastes classic as archaic and graphically bad, but most of the community here just laughs it off and goes back to playing. We're either too addicted or too mature now to care, or both possibly.

There's nothing wrong with liking checkers, but you're comparing it to chess and then calling us chess players elitists. Or maybe a better comparison would be Hearthstone and Magic the Gathering? Skyrim and Morrowind?

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Edwadragon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Frankly, Sonark, you sound like a Live fanboy.

No.

You're all p99 fanboys, and have complete fabrications and misconceptions about what Live EQ is, or how to play it, and no one here likes to have that bubble burst.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by d3r14k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And frankly, any elitism you accuse me of for stating my opinion seems disingenuous when you respond in kind.

Incorrect.

Your justifications are hot garbage, and I've successfully argued against them, but the fact of your opinion insofar as having it is fine.

Which I've said.

But IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, SIR, it's not even remotely the same game other than the EverQuest name.

It's not the same game.

That is correct.

[Sonark]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Classic has its rage-inducing moments, but Live doesn't come anywhere close to Dark Souls.

No, but neither does p99?

Neither of them are anything like Dark Souls, or anything like as hard as Dark Souls.

Barbie Magic Genie Adventure is also playable, but very few grown men

Hahaha what in the fuck.

What a ridiculous, belittling, elitist thing to say.

are going to derive any enjoyment out of it unless they have daughters who insist dad plays along and even then... I'm not comparing the two games, just pointing out that you're being argumentative rather than debating the issue, taking what he said literally when it was clearly meant as a figure of speech.

You are horrifically bad at making points and making a sound argument.

I'm being "argumentative" only in the sense that there are things being said that are demonstrably wrong, and I have the information to counter those comments with facts.

You guys are elitist as fucking shit.

If you want to, you can. That's a far cry from having to because no other option exists.

Ok?

Night blindness. Book in the face (eventually, hopefully). Hybrid xp penalty (once upon a time).

It's great you named three things that don't actually exist on p99.

Lackluster bow damage.

...then don't use a boy? This isn't a point, either.

Limited spell slots.

Limited?

There isn't an infinite number of spell slots on Live, either.

Manual song twisting.

It would definitely surprise you to learn this, but actually being good at your class on Live involves key binding and manual use of your abilities.

p99 Bard is average player, again if you're actually GOOD, for every single class on Live, and everyone here likes to talk about how hard that is.

Separate banks. Etc.

This...isn't adversity?

The fact that you're so offended

I'm offended by awful arguments and justifications.

I'm going to keep repeating this, because all the elitists are popping out of the woodwork and flying off the handle, but fundamentally having an "opinion" about something isn't something I or anyone else can take away from them.

But when they attempt to bolster that "opinion" with absolute nonsense, that absolute nonsense is absolutely something I can address and debate.

by what one or two people on here think says a lot. The general public lambastes classic as archaic and graphically bad, but most of the community here just laughs it off and goes back to playing. We're either too addicted or too mature now to care, or both possibly.

Ok, so, wait.

Basically, you should know exactly what it's like to have someone belittle and dismiss the style and type of game you like to play, because people do that to you about p99.

But then...you turn around and do exactly that about Live, and you don't see the lesson here?

There's nothing wrong with liking checkers, but you're comparing it to chess and then calling us chess players elitists. Or maybe a better comparison would be Hearthstone and Magic the Gathering? Skyrim and Morrowind?

You are genuinely awful at metaphor.