Drusella Player Agreement?

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a reasonable time to recover necessarily, but a reasonable time to engage respawns. If it's as you say and half the room had already repopped, then I think they lost any claim. Do you have that fraps> cause I think that's the linchpin here.

I don't have prior fraps unfortunately. I did not consider that it would be debatable and that they would try to claim they didn't wipe and/or lose camp. Only when I realized they were making such a claim, and had the potential to KS (Which they did do) did I load and run fraps.

Hoping the server logs and circumstantial evidence (read: they admit to wiping due to their own train) will establish the rest. The individual playing Rover may choose to comment to give his perspective as well (and, either agree with my story or not). Because he is in one of the larger raid guilds here, and additionally out of respect for him, I will leave him to make that call - I did provide his name to the GMs in my petition so that they can speak with him if they want.

[orangemang]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have prior fraps unfortunately. I did not consider that it would be debatable and that they would try to claim they didn't wipe and/or lose camp. Only when I realized they were making such a claim, and had the potential to KS (Which they did do) did I load and run fraps.

Hoping the server logs and circumstantial evidence (read: they admit to wiping due to their own train) will establish the rest. The individual playing Rover may choose to comment to give his perspective as well (and, either agree with my story or not). Because he is in one of the larger raid guilds here, and additionally out of respect for him, I will leave him to make that call - I did provide his name to the GMs in my petition so that they can speak with him if they want.

I like how he tries to play this as 2 different people when I've already heard of multiple petitions going in on him duo boxing these toons from another guild.

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how he tries to play this as 2 different people when I've already heard of multiple petitions going in on him duo boxing these toons from another guild.

Right... like I would be stupid enough to petition and make public a fraps of me duoboxing yet, at the same time, smart and ambidextrous enough to man two chars at once (especially with me fluttering around my movements on Svenn like a spaz) while talking with myself and asking myself whether or not we should kill a mob vs recharm it in group text.

Way to use ad hominem attacks to defend your flimsy position.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like how he tries to play this as 2 different people when I've already heard of multiple petitions going in on him duo boxing these toons from another guild.

You got evidence for the claim man? A shit bag move to call out someone for two boxxing without any proof.

[Teppler]

I would go as far to say if you are playing any FD games with any sort of contested mob, that’s a very dangerous game to play and any time someone feigns a mob, they are disengaged from an engagement because they couldn’t handle and in that case it’s the next persons turn.

BG officer is using very very convenient rule bending for their own sake.

Let’s entertain the other side of the argument for a moment. You want a camp and some monk is messing around with Feigh Death games. How long could you possibly go before you just say enough is enough. 2 mins? 10? 30? Hr?

I’ve seen GMs go off on people for using pathing as an excuse in these situations. This fucker, triangle, spent the time in Kunark learning that shit. They should of done the same.

[orangemang]

In general, a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold, while keeping the placeholders of any relevant spawns dead.

Camp hadn't fully respawned mobs, BG still had a presence.

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general, a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold, while keeping the placeholders of any relevant spawns dead.

Camp hadn't fully respawned mobs, BG still had a presence.

Unbiased interpretation of the event and rules. Coming at you from BG!!

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BTW haven't seen you at all in ToV, or anywhere really, guess that more and more comment was a little too soon.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general, a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold, while keeping the placeholders of any relevant spawns dead.

Camp hadn't fully respawned mobs, BG still had a presence.

The fact that people had to be FD and there was mobs around means that the BG people couldn't handle the camp in its current state, whatever it was, and someone else was ready to roll.

[Triangle]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general, a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold, while keeping the placeholders of any relevant spawns dead.

Camp hadn't fully respawned mobs, BG still had a presence.

By BG you are referring to your own guild - based on your post history, you appear to be an officer or at least a member of Blood Guard. Just wanted to make that clear as people might otherwise presume you are merely a neutral commentator.

What is "a presence"? Is "a presence" a corpse? is it a FD member, or is it enough people to be able to handle the mobs spawned in camp? or is it enough people to handle the camp in its entirety? Seems like a lot of possible factors at play that would require a situation-by-situation determination.

The rule also doesnt reference a wipe and what a wipe entails, and that a wipe causes you to lose a camp. Wipes have generally been held to cause a group to lose a camp if another group engages after that wipe. It is clear you wiped here, and that factor, as well as all factors, will hopefully be considered by the GMs when they have the opportunity to look at what happened.

[orangemang]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

By BG you are referring to your own guild - based on your post history, you appear to be an officer or at least a member of Blood Guard. Just wanted to make that clear as people might otherwise presume you are merely a neutral commentator.

What is "a presence"? Is "a presence" a corpse? is it a FD member, or is it enough people to be able to handle the mobs spawned in camp? or is it enough people to handle the camp in its entirety? Seems like a lot of possible factors at play that would require a situation-by-situation determination.

The rule also doesnt reference a wipe and what a wipe entails, and that a wipe causes you to lose a camp. Wipes have generally been held to cause a group to lose a camp if another group engages after that wipe. It is clear you wiped here, and that factor, as well as all factors, will hopefully be considered by the GMs when they have the opportunity to look at what happened.

Officer and was there. Post history isnt' hard to look up so forgive me for not pointing that out.

Shariki 60 Monk
Phayln 60 Enchanter

^ Just so we're 100% clear