Drusella Player Agreement?

[Para99]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One could even argue that clearing the golems in DS's room is simply just camping the stupid Mortiferous Protector and does not give you claim to Drusella as that would be camping two things at once. Typically when you are camping two mobs at once and someone shows up to lay claim to one of them, you are forced to choose which one of the mobs you want to relinquish as you cannot hold multiple camps at once.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Mortiferous_Protector

The problem with this is that the players do not want you to view the act of clearing the room as them camping two mobs ( Drusella and the MP ), they want the MP to be considered equal to the trash since his loot is not good ( druid boots ). Think about how Crypt in Sebilis plays out when a group clears in only to find a shaman soloing the Hierophant room only. They typically are forced to take the rest of the spawns leaving the Hierophant room alone, but if the shaman moves away from the room that group will most certainly pull the PH or named if its up.

So again, people are picking and choosing how the camp rules get applied and thats the inconsistency Im pointing out.

Happy Friday everyone.

It's hard to tell in that screenshot, but that's the back room of East by the portal not near Drusella's room. Point being, Mort Protector isn't a static spawn and he doesn't share a spawn with any of the other East named mobs, so it's not like any of the other HS named camp. That would mean at least 10 spawns between the entrance to Drusella's room and the zone out could be considered Mort Protector camps.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Para99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to tell in that screenshot, but that's the back room of East by the portal not near Drusella's room. Point being, Mort Protector isn't a static spawn and he doesn't share a spawn with any of the other East named mobs, so it's not like any of the other HS named camp. That would mean at least 10 spawns between the entrance to Drusella's room and the zone out could be considered Mort Protector camps.

That's true but it doesn't change the fact that killing the golems in DS's room is closer related to camping the Mort Protector than doing anything that affects what is going on at DS's spawn point aside from the simple 'clearing of the area'.

So since P99 allows for the clearing of non-PHs equals giving right to all npcs that also spawn in the vicinity of the mobs you are clearing in special cases but not all, DS is currently campable it seems.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's true but it doesn't change the fact that killing the golems in DS's room is closer related to camping the Mort Protector than doing anything that affects what is going on at DS's spawn point aside from the simple 'clearing of the area'.

So since P99 allows for the clearing of non-PHs equals giving right to all npcs that also spawn in the vicinity of the mobs you are clearing in special cases but not all, DS is currently campable it seems.

Dude Drusella's room has a convenient mechanic where there are level appropriate mobs to kill to clear the area. It's very convenient. Why argue against it?

It's not the same as other rooms where the rooms are empty or there aren't level appropriate mobs.

Emptier spaces can be FTE. This is a campable spot. Put in the work. If anyone wants to get insane about spending 24 hours there, that's their time to waste....

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Derubael

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

These are stickied server rules (Getting Started Guide & Server Rules), emphasis mine. They make it clear that Drusella can be claimed as camped by actively clearing the room, no matter if you are in the actual room or in the safer hallway. If you show up to DS and a group is camped in the hallway clearing the DS room mobs, you cannot simply sit on the spawn point and contest it. You must inform them you also want to camp DS, and at that point they will need to move into the room for their claim to continue to be valid. If you show up to DS and try and contest it with a group actually inside DS's room clearing it, you're a fucking degen.

[sneakss]

you let blood guard out dps you....XD

[aaezil]

If you made that argument and made someone choose ds or mp they would just say i choose ds and not fte the ph or mp and give you a chance to kill him and if you declined then you just gave up all your camp rights to that spot. Seems pretty cut and dry.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you made that argument and made someone choose ds or mp they would just say i choose ds and not fte the ph or mp and give you a chance to kill him and if you declined then you just gave up all your camp rights to that spot. Seems pretty cut and dry.

Exactly my point about why clearing the room has nothing to do with camping or trying to claim Drusella when you can easily differentiate between the two spawns, camps or whatever it ends up becoming.

[Wonkie]

what's the starting line for drusella FTE?

[aaezil]

Without a gm response who knows what the ruling for DS is / will be. Good luck

[Tethler]

Can someone make a spreadsheet for all the player agreements so I can keep track? At some point I'm gonna get banned just for loggin in somewhere at the wrong time.