Are you mortified about President Donald J. Trump?

[d3r14k]

The not closing the umbrella footage was pretty hilarious.

I will say though.... If I had a swathe of people following around doing shit for me I'd leave open umbrellas scattered around the landscape too.

[Freakish]

I love how there's all these assumptions that liberals love open borders because Trump's idiotic brag that Mexico would pay for a wall didn't pan out. I don't know any liberals that want open borders and illegal immigrants coming through. You know what we do want? Not to play stupid games that help nobody.

Trump tried to politically strong arm as his first stand against a democratic congress. He shut the government down, claimed credit for it then when it started to look bad yelled about how the democrats want to let caravans of refugees across the border. He's trying to fulfill a campaign promise based on immigration fears that he invented as a political talking point. A promise that Mexico still isn't paying for.
It's not true. You want to talk budgeting towards border security, fine. You don't do that by shutting your own government down, screaming I want a cookie and then refusing any kind of compromise until your own airports start shutting down. And Damn, don't show a weak hand and start issuing demands on a government that's entirely based on compromise.

He's getting money for the border. He's not getting nearly as much as he would have if he threw this tantrum when he had political clout with a Republican congress and Senate. It would have been much easier to get everything through, but not guaranteed. Republicans never had a supermajority in Senate so it would have been held up.

This whole shutdown has shown me that the current political climate is based on no compromise. If democrats had caved to Trump they would have been showing all their voters that they can be trusted. Biggest congressional democratic wave and cave on the first demand. That wasn't happening. Trump wasn't willing to even come to the table unless it included everything he demanded, McConnell wouldn't bring the House passed bills to the floor even once during the shutdown. Bipartisanship is so low right now and these political news channels such as CNN, FOX, whatever else are so biased that you get completely different takes on the same event presented as fact. It's ridiculous.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A promise that Mexico still isn't paying for.

Something like 70% of asylum seekers from Central America are on the social services net. If a wall removes them from our welfare system and adds them to Mexico's welfare system, doesn't that mean Mexico is effectively paying for it?

Originally Posted by Freakish

You don't do that by shutting your own government down, screaming I want a cookie and then refusing any kind of compromise until your own airports start shutting down.

Trump's approval rating is either unchanged or slightly up, depending on how you look at it.

Originally Posted by freakish

Bipartisanship is so low right now and these political news channels such as CNN, FOX, whatever else are so biased that you get completely different takes on the same event presented as fact. It's ridiculous.

r/k theory etc.

[Freakish]

Tl;dr liberal bs. You don't have to listen to a baby killer.

[reznor_]

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I don't disagree with every policy the Trump administration has implemented. I'm all for immigration reform, doing things the right way. But Trump has done nothing but fan the flames of polarity and divisiveness. America doesn't need that shit, we should be better then that.

[Foxplay]

So long as hes not impeached he could still win 2020... Doesn't matter how many people hate the guy if they don't vote against him... Doesn't matter if fewer people love the guy if they are voting in predominately heavy Electoral weight states their votes end up being worth more

Then you have to account for the fact that hes the Presidential Incumbent... historically an advantage

Also the democratic stage seems like it will be pretty crowded so hard to tell who's going to be the front runner on that side (Plz not Hillary - also LOL if you think the Democrats would let Bernie get the nomination....ever)

[DinoTriz2]

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I don't disagree with every policy the Trump administration has implemented. I'm all for immigration reform, doing things the right way. But Trump has done nothing but fan the flames of polarity and divisiveness. America doesn't need that shit, we should be better then that.

That's the media, not Trump.

[Mblake1981]

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I don't disagree with every policy the Trump administration has implemented. I'm all for immigration reform, doing things the right way. But Trump has done nothing but fan the flames of polarity and divisiveness. America doesn't need that shit, we should be better then that.

the people cry and the people moan
Look for a dry place to call their home
Try to find some place to rest their bones
While the angels and the devils try to make their own

2 parties have dominated. The land of competition doesn't like competition.

[DMN]

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2 parties have dominated. The land of competition doesn't like competition.

Primaries are a thing.

[Mblake1981]

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Primaries are a thing.

hehe