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Old 02-15-2019, 06:43 PM
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Triiz, take a second here to admire the beauty of America's health care system. Like all systems of control, it has been carefully designed so that the serfs are placed in a local maximum where we lose if we fail to comply, but also in a global minimum where there is huge net transfer of wealth to the pharmaceutical companies (Obamacare was basically written by the health care industry). It would be easy for Americans to fix our health care system, but we don't.
  • What's the fix?
  • Why don't we do it?
Also, the cancer survival rate was one thing I googled around for a bit. This blog post is an easy to read table representation of one of those 'sciency' papers. I'd guess that Britain is doing a bit better (or the US is doing worse) in the 2010s. Anyway, as I stated I am not defending our health care system. I just think that a true free market solution would blow socialized medicine out of the water. No one would be without health care, as the market would meet all price points (except people unwilling to work, of course, and I am not overly concerned there).
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Old 02-16-2019, 03:23 PM
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Triiz, take a second here to admire the beauty of America's health care system. Like all systems of control, it has been carefully designed so that the serfs are placed in a local maximum where we lose if we fail to comply, but also in a global minimum where there is huge net transfer of wealth to the pharmaceutical companies (Obamacare was basically written by the health care industry). It would be easy for Americans to fix our health care system, but we don't.
  • What's the fix?
  • Why don't we do it?
Also, the cancer survival rate was one thing I googled around for a bit. This blog post is an easy to read table representation of one of those 'sciency' papers. I'd guess that Britain is doing a bit better (or the US is doing worse) in the 2010s. Anyway, as I stated I am not defending our health care system. I just think that a true free market solution would blow socialized medicine out of the water. No one would be without health care, as the market would meet all price points (except people unwilling to work, of course, and I am not overly concerned there).
Why do courts keep facilitating these monopolies, not to mention the FTC, when both are controlled by Republicans? I’d argue Democrats are closer to wanting free markets at this point. Not that I support them. Immigration is the only issue that matters, but I don’t see why libertarians like yourself are so OK with monopolies that stifle competition
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:39 PM
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GOOD NORMAL THINKING PLUBLIC ONLY. I THINK THEIR SHOULD BE FEDERAL MILITARY POLICE THAT MONITORS THE DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL TRASH MEDIA AND THEIR CORRUPT FRIENDS FOR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR SUCH THINGS AS TREASON AND A LAWLESS CRIMINAL MOUTH BEHAVIOR SUCH AS SLANDER AND MALICE.
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Old 02-15-2019, 06:40 PM
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GOOD NORMAL THINKING PLUBLIC ONLY. GOOD JOB PRESIDENT TRUMP. TELL ME WHO LOVES YOU AMERICA PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT PENCE LOVES YOU AND THE BORDER WALL LOVES YOU AND MARSHALL LAW LOVES YOU . NEXT FEDERALIZE THE NATIONAL GUARD IN ALL STATES IN AMERICA .
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:08 PM
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Americans are in a real pickle!

Immigration is the one area where Democrats should concede some space. It’s okay to be concerned about the solvency of your institutions amid an onslaught of illegal and legal immigration (including asylum). Alternatively, Republicans are bad faith actors whose platform can almost entirely be proven as ineffective using examples from every other developed country.

Your best areas are enclaves at best whose success can be boiled down to:

- good climate attracting wealthy people.
- resource rich country
- too tier research and education pre-1990
- opportune timing and positioning for rebuilding the world (post WW2).
- relatively homogenous population during the most important period.

Any 1st world country able to select even 2/5 of those is either past you or passing you in QOL. There’s no excuse. America needs ranked choice, viable third parties and at the very minimum, quality education ACROSS THE COUNTRY to be able to escape bumper sticker politics.

Democrats are not the answer but Republicans are DEFINITELY not. A swing to the right now will only further calcify this trend and ensure every last drop of wealth that was created goes to your best zip codes or, more likely, overseas.

Inb4 but muhh median income!
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:47 PM
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Americans are in a real pickle!

Immigration is the one area where Democrats should concede some space. It’s okay to be concerned about the solvency of your institutions amid an onslaught of illegal and legal immigration (including asylum). Alternatively, Republicans are bad faith actors whose platform can almost entirely be proven as ineffective using examples from every other developed country.

Your best areas are enclaves at best whose success can be boiled down to:

- good climate attracting wealthy people.
- resource rich country
- too tier research and education pre-1990
- opportune timing and positioning for rebuilding the world (post WW2).
- relatively homogenous population during the most important period.

Any 1st world country able to select even 2/5 of those is either past you or passing you in QOL. There’s no excuse. America needs ranked choice, viable third parties and at the very minimum, quality education ACROSS THE COUNTRY to be able to escape bumper sticker politics.

Democrats are not the answer but Republicans are DEFINITELY not. A swing to the right now will only further calcify this trend and ensure every last drop of wealth that was created goes to your best zip codes or, more likely, overseas.

Inb4 but muhh median income!
We have horrible horrible rot in our government. The establishment on republican and democrat side are bought out by foreigners. They will bleed us a slow death while they fund Israel from within the US and out.

You're kind of clueless of what is going on at the border. Establishment democrat elites are the decision makers for their parties. Open borders dooms demographics for anyone who desires responsible spending in government. It has nothing to do with whats right for america. It's like a checkmate move for the establishment to make that ensures their power forever, in just a number of years. They get to make more and more of these bloated bills with irresponsible spending that does stuff like sends more money to Israel. Then Israel bombs the rest of the middle east with our resources and then somehow we're back at war in the middle east fighting that skirmish. And our low/middle class wages stay stagnant because we have hordes of low class workers filtering in from the border. And tons and tons of other problems.
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Old 02-15-2019, 08:45 PM
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We have horrible horrible rot in our government. The establishment on republican and democrat side are bought out by foreigners. They will bleed us a slow death while they fund Israel from within the US and out.

You're kind of clueless of what is going on at the border. Establishment democrat elites are the decision makers for their parties. Open borders dooms demographics for anyone who desires responsible spending in government. It has nothing to do with whats right for america. It's like a checkmate move for the establishment to make that ensures their power forever, in just a number of years. They get to make more and more of these bloated bills with irresponsible spending that does stuff like sends more money to Israel. Then Israel bombs the rest of the middle east with our resources and then somehow we're back at war in the middle east fighting that skirmish. And our low/middle class wages stay stagnant because we have hordes of low class workers filtering in from the border. And tons and tons of other problems.
No, that’s pretty close to what I’m saying. No party has a full claim on adventurism but saying both sides are bad vastly understated the extent to the corruption R’s are in your country.

Either way, do away with both or hijack one for the better good and you’ll be in a much better place .
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You guys are so afraid of the Boogeyman illegal immigrants that you're not seeing the automation and outsourcing of your current and future jobs by the controlling class.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:58 PM
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You guys are so afraid of the Boogeyman illegal immigrants that you're not seeing the automation and outsourcing of your current and future jobs by the controlling class.
Automation has been a threat since the industrial revolution and way before. It hasn't stopped jobs. And there absolutely should be protection against outsourcing.
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You guys are so afraid of the Boogeyman illegal immigrants that you're not seeing the automation and outsourcing of your current and future jobs by the controlling class.
Immigration has destroyed the bottom end of the entire construction industry in the same way automation did to manufacturing. When people distill the argument down to “Mexicans only clean houses and pick vegetables” you lose a lot of the nuance and therefore ignore the complains of the vast majority of people who’s lives are negatively affected by that.

Roofers, deck builders, landscapers and other semi-skilled but non red-seal trades commonly make $20/hour in countries that have tight controls on their immigration. That has a huge effect on the overall economy
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