Are you mortified about President Donald J. Trump?

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was part of his election platform. The democrats really should have just given him the 5-6 billion and let him own it. The democrats are run by idiots. Setting themselves on fire over a pittance of money isn't going to play well outside of the far left fringe.

im glad we agree its a waste of money and time

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is pretty pathetic straw man., often the default argument of liberal NPCs. No one thinks the wall is going to magically stop it.

We can track people who are flying. We have records of them coming in to the country.

We have no idea who is simply waltzing over the border. Building the border is the common sense thing to do before you start looking at evasion through air travel or start penalizing employers hiring them.

When you look at the grand scheme of our yearly budget there's no excuse not to find 5 or 10 billion for a wall when we spend nearly 4 trillion a year and around 600 mil on military spending. And we basically fund Israel's border.

BTW does it drive anyone else crazy that we fund Israel's border but Israeli American's are overwhelmingly against an American southern border wall and they voted around 80% for Hillary Clinton? Count how many dual israeli/american citizens we have in our government. Scary stuff.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can track people who are flying. We have records of them coming in to the country.

We have no idea who is simply waltzing over the border. Building the border is the common sense thing to do before you start looking at evasion through air travel or start penalizing employers hiring them.

When you look at the grand scheme of our yearly budget there's no excuse not to find 5 or 10 billion for a wall when we spend nearly 4 trillion a year and around 600 mil on military spending. And we basically fund Israel's border.

BTW does it drive anyone else crazy that we fund Israel's border but Israeli American's are overwhelmingly against an American southern border wall and they voted around 80% for Hillary Clinton? Count how many dual israeli/american citizens we have in our government. Scary stuff.

what if wall is a maintenance nightmare and fence is way cheaper?

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what if wall is a maintenance nightmare and fence is way cheaper?

We spend close to 40 billion on aid to Israel every year.

I don't want to hear about how much the wall costs until it comes close to what we send to Israel for them to do stuff like build a border wall for themselves.

There's no way to argue against the wall without being an anti american piece of shit.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's astonishing how stupid some Trump supporters are that they don't realize that a wall won't stop the nearly 75% of illegals fly in and over stay visas and even if you built a 100 foot wall it can be defeated with a 101 foot ladder. In Jesse lee Petersen voice: Amazin.

This is a dumb point, even stopping a bit pays for itself in welfare and social services for every anchor baby and parent.

[America]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's astonishing how stupid some Trump supporters are that they don't realize that a wall won't stop the nearly 75% of illegals fly in and over stay visas and even if you built a 100 foot wall it can be defeated with a 101 foot ladder. In Jesse lee Petersen voice: Amazin.

you can't beat a smartwall with anything short of EMP and some sort of anti aircraft fire.

Overstaying a legal visa doesn't allow ppl to just waltz in with an arbitrarily large amount of cargo.

Hope this helps liberal

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's astonishing how stupid some Trump supporters are that they don't realize that a wall won't stop the nearly 75% of illegals fly in and over stay visas and even if you built a 100 foot wall it can be defeated with a 101 foot ladder. In Jesse lee Petersen voice: Amazin.

If the top wanted it then there would be a debate. It would just be done, whatever rationale used, someone like yourself might be in here going over the talking points while lets say a republican would counter with "It's astonishing how stupid libtards are, Jesse Peterson: Amazin"

Smart walls, gold walls, fences are not really the thing and I don't think it ever was. I initially seen it as citizens wanting to do something but I am not sure anymore. If the top is along with you then politics is easy, when they are not its like asking for raid rotations.. watch the political rants and flames explode... what side of the isle is of little importance as the same issues get shifted side to side.

Are you really upset with some Trump supporters or does your anger lie more with <Warm Bodies> ?

[Fingurs]

Originally Posted by lonmoer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's astonishing how stupid some Trump supporters are that they don't realize that a wall won't stop the nearly 75% of illegals fly in and over stay visas and even if you built a 100 foot wall it can be defeated with a 101 foot ladder. In Jesse lee Petersen voice: Amazin.

Nice Democratic talking point.

Problem with people crossing the border, is you're left with estimates. Currently it sits at 12 million, of the people we KNOW. Likely its upwards of 20 or as many as 30 million. Thats when your fly in and overstay starts to crumble.

Also - we can't even get to overstays when we can barely manage to pay the limited ICE agents on the border.

SO whats your argument?

Its obvious to anyone with a remote sense of politics whats going on.

The Democratic party hasn't won the White vote since 1968. Their key to win an election is immigrants, especially from impoverished countries who will NEED their bullshit handout policies, and will keep voting them in, because they are dependent on them.

This is a ploy for votes, simple.

Democrats dominate votes 18 - 29, and Republicans crush 35+.

You know what happens at 35+? You own property. You start thinking about retirement. You want to take care of your children. You want to save money to pay for your kid's college tuition to give them a chance.

None of those things apply to you when you're 18 - 29 - because you're young, and are on the YOLO train. Thus a politician saying shit like "Free, free, free" sounds very appealing, up until you lock down a job, start making a decent wage after working hard, and realize that in some scenarios (state/Fed) you are handing 40% away.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Fingurs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nice Democratic talking point.

Problem with people crossing the border, is you're left with estimates. Currently it sits at 12 million, of the people we KNOW. Likely its upwards of 20 or as many as 30 million. Thats when your fly in and overstay starts to crumble.

Also - we can't even get to overstays when we can barely manage to pay the limited ICE agents on the border.

SO whats your argument?

Its obvious to anyone with a remote sense of politics whats going on.

The Democratic party hasn't won the White vote since 1968. Their key to win an election is immigrants, especially from impoverished countries who will NEED their bullshit handout policies, and will keep voting them in, because they are dependent on them.

This is a ploy for votes, simple.

Democrats dominate votes 18 - 29, and Republicans crush 35+.

You know what happens at 35+? You own property. You start thinking about retirement. You want to take care of your children. You want to save money to pay for your kid's college tuition to give them a chance.

None of those things apply to you when you're 18 - 29 - because you're young, and are on the YOLO train. Thus a politician saying shit like "Free, free, free" sounds very appealing, up until you lock down a job, start making a decent wage after working hard, and realize that in some scenarios (state/Fed) you are handing 40% away.

The funny part is that all these 35+ year olds supposedly voting in the interest of themselves and their family are just fucking themselves over. Had they voted Democrat instead we may be well on the way to replacing for-profit health insurance companies with a public single payer.

As someone who works in healthcare, let me give you an anecdote. I work in a hospital and one of my patients presented with a massive MCA stroke, hemiplegia, aphasia, neglect, the works. He had private insurance. His payer stopped paying for treatment 2 weeks into rehab. Instead of being discharged to an impatient rehab facility for intensive rehab, which was indicated, he was d/c'd to a SNF and then home a few weeks after that, where insurance never covered any additional neuro treatment.

All the evidence suggests the first 1-2 months post-stroke is a critical period and the modality of care you receive during this period has tremendous impact on your permanent functional ability. Do insurance companies care about this? No. This man never had the opportunity to exercise choice, shop, or participate in any kind of free market, to appeal his claims denial, or to understand this aspect of his plan (as a matter of practice these sorts of intricacies are never disclosed). Under medicare + supplements, and everywhere else in the wealthy world, the same treatment plan is routinely covered.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The funny part is that all these 35+ year olds supposedly voting in the interest of themselves and their family are just fucking themselves over. Had they voted Democrat instead we may be well on the way to replacing for-profit health insurance companies with a public single payer.

Anecdotal evidence is the weakest kind. Here's one for your perusal:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/840764...-message-died/