New ToV rules

[Prostatus]

Repop days are going to fun. The whole reason for this was too many people in ToV and now on repop days when ToV is FFA.... well shit you just shot 0-3 big holes in your system a month.

[Grizzler]

The amount of time does seem to be a bit much but I'm ok with trying it out. I think trying it for a time and then trying the no csr involvement for 6 months and go with which ever is better, as another above poster posted, sounds like the best route.

Although to be fair, im not huge into raiding and only raid to help my guildies who helped me get all the gear my chars have.

[Triiz]

Originally Posted by Grizzler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

then trying the no csr involvement for 6 months and go with which ever is better, as another above poster posted, sounds like the best route.

This server already tried no CSR in the top raid zone at that point. Someone linked a video of one guy wiping out an entire raid force yesterday. At the end of the video even the guy doing the training says how dumb it is.
https://youtu.be/yQ0-UPeeNJs

[zarza]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded. In the online game, the game without competition is dead.
This is the reason why competition can be so engrossed in p99. I saw some small guilds become stronger than they were a few years ago and win the race. This was a very valuable victory for them. I sincerely congratulated you. Because they've been traking with us all night and seeing them spend their time preparing for win. And they're still growing up. But the problem is that the new rules I've seen try to get rid of their value and everyone's value. We know it. That's why p99 players don't want to go to live servers with instant dungeons

[loramin]

Originally Posted by zarza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded. In the online game, the game without competition is dead.
This is the reason why competition can be so engrossed in p99. I saw some small guilds become stronger than they were a few years ago and win the race. This was a very valuable victory for them. I sincerely congratulated you. Because they've been traking with us all night and seeing them spend their time preparing for win. And they're still growing up. But the problem is that the new rules I've seen try to get rid of their value and everyone's value. We know it. That's why p99 players don't want to go to live servers with instant dungeons

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

Really?

[Hotel]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait ... did you just ... with a straight face (I can't actually see your face but you seemed serious) ... actually compare bat phoning/poop-socking/the P99 Raid scene to ... the fucking Olympics? Human athletes at their absolute peak potential ... vs. some guy with no life staring at a wall so that he can tweet his buddies and they can all sit at a computer for ten minutes?

Really?

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...? To win an Olympic gold you have to put more time in than your competition, to win Vulak you have to put more time in than your competition.

You may think it's lame, but aren't you the person who updates the p99 wiki? You of all people should understand how people weigh things against others.

And if you don't understand that connection, well maybe its because you never competed in ToV.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...? To win an Olympic gold you have to put more time in than your competition, to win Vulak you have to put more time in than your competition.

You may think it's lame, but aren't you the person who updates the p99 wiki? You of all people should understand how people weigh things against others.

And if you don't understand that connection, well maybe its because you never competed in ToV.

Wow. Ok, first off I do ToV literally every week ... although I don't want to misrepresent anything: our weekly raids are on HoT, not the cool named dragons. But we absolutely do compete sometimes, and I could say some very negative things about another guild in this thread that pulled complete bullshit (ie. very clearly and deliberately training us) with their "competition" ... but I'll take the high road. I think anyone with experience there knows how certain guilds act, so for anyone that this is relevant to I probably don't even need to say the name.

However our alliance (AEGIS) does/did compete for cooler stuff, and in fact we're now a part of the rotation. So yeah, I think I have a leg to stand on when I say this stuff. And honestly, I've been a forum addict for many years before I even joined a guild (I remember TMO drama), so even if I'd never joined Anonymous and raided ToV a million times, I still wouldn't be talking entirely out of my ass.

Second, I don't understand what the connection is between "the wiki" and "how people weigh things against others". Like really, I'm trying hard to understand what you're saying, but I just see absolutely zero connection between those two things. There is nothing in the wiki about weighing people against each other, unless you count the Magelo system or the Auction Tracker or something.

And finally:

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing Vulak to an Olympic gold is a fine comparison...?

I think you just lost any leg you had to stand on right there.

[zarza]

You don't have to give people a chance without effort. Opportunities and rewards must be available only for all guilds in competition.

[Cen]

Originally Posted by zarza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded. In the online game, the game without competition is dead.
This is the reason why competition can be so engrossed in p99. I saw some small guilds become stronger than they were a few years ago and win the race. This was a very valuable victory for them. I sincerely congratulated you. Because they've been traking with us all night and seeing them spend their time preparing for win. And they're still growing up. But the problem is that the new rules I've seen try to get rid of their value and everyone's value. We know it. That's why p99 players don't want to go to live servers with instant dungeons

Wouldnt the correct analogy equivocation be some athletes being allowed into the Olympics to begin with versus other athletes being barred, even if they may be stronger athletes?

If the actual FTE is what you consider the competition and not the content itself, then thats kind of terrible. Thats just a batphone

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by zarza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Olympic medal is worth fighting for and winning. They try and prepare for compensation. If everyone turns around and gets a medal easily, what value is it? We should not give a medal to the weak without effort. If you're weak, increase your strength. Win and be rewarded.

Correct. Weakness should never be rewarded. Which is why you must bust up 200+ member guilds that zerg a target. It has already been made clear by other top players that many are just warm bodies helping make the kill happen. They don't really deserve the loot you guys are setting up/pulling/leading for. I know I don't. I was asked to play bots that don't belong to me because my main was useless, especially when you consider people have alt alt bards with better gear than I will ever have collecting digital dust from not being used.

I am a worthless shitbagger, do not reward me. It was clear to me, I quit. I commited pixel seppuku because it was the only honorable way out.