Wall not up

[nostalgiaquest]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes.

How could it not?

Can Mexicans walk through walls?

You're not that ignorant, come on now.

You talk about your drug use from time to time on these forums. I would think you'd be more understanding to the fact that drug cartels are always one step ahead of enforcement, and that when there's a will, and billions of dollars in profit at stake, there is always a way.

I can picture it now - "oh fuck ese, there's a wall now and there's literally no way we can get by it. I guess our drug smuggling days are over. Time to pack it up and find a new multi-billion dollar industry. If only we had literally years to prepare for this wall and develop a multitude of techniques to get around it"

Life, uhhh, finds a way.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/wi...rug-smuggling/

Also, how is Mexico paying for the wall? Surely you must know something i don't.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're not that ignorant, come on now.

You talk about your drug use from time to time on these forums. I would think you'd be more understanding to the fact that drug cartels are always one step ahead of enforcement, and that when there's a will, and billions of dollars in profit at stake, there is always a way.

I can picture it now - "oh fuck ese, there's a wall now and there's literally no way we can get by it. I guess our drug smuggling days are over. Time to pack it up and find a new multi-billion dollar industry. If only we had literally years to prepare for this wall and develop a multitude of techniques to get around it"

Life, uhhh, finds a way.

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/wi...rug-smuggling/

Also, how is Mexico paying for the wall? Surely you must know something i don't.

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?

[Irulan]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?

Commercial anti-virus sux and only protects against clickbait like 98% of the time and never protects against users actively running crap they shouldn't.

[nostalgiaquest]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Security is always about adapting.

The fact that hackers can find ways into your data doesn't stop you from using anti-virus, does it?

I mean, why even use anti-virus software when a hacker will just find a way in?

See how stupid and ignorant you sound?

Weak analogy. Definition: Many arguments rely on an analogy between two or more objects, ideas, or situations. If the two things that are being compared aren't really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy.

Because walls... sorry, barriers... and anti-virus software are the exact same thing. And hackers have the same monetary resources as Mexican drug cartels. Haha.

If i came out and said hey we have these hackers out there and we're going to spend the next 10 years developing the perfect anti-virus software, and this is exactly how its going to work when it's complete, don't you think the hackers would be ready for it?

Anti virus software doesn't cost 20 billion dollars from the US taxpayer (not Mexico) to create.

If/when the wall is complete, and drugs still flow across the border (because they will), how will the wall be adapted?

When it is clearly documented that a majority of drugs come across the border at ports of entry, how will the wall be adapted?

When it is clearly documented that a majority of illegal immigrants come into the USA through ports of entry and simply overstay their visas, how will the wall be adapted?

When smugglers simply tunnel under the wall, as has been done in the past, how will the wall be adapted?

Isn't it the democrats saying that they want to pursue new and innovative border security ideas? Drones, sensors, increased patrols, immigration reform etc? Wouldn't you call those ideas adapting? A wall is an archaic solution to a modern problem. A frivolous campaign promise that Trump has now backed himself into a corner with.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're responsible for providing security while the rest of you dress in furry outfits and whine about how you're oppressed.

Hahahahaha. My hero. Posting like you're doing jack shit for the nation's security.

Also why won't you answer my question about how Mexico will pay for the wall? If you can show me, with numbers, that Mexico will pay, either directly or indirectly, for this wall then i'll happily stop asking.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes.

How could it not?

Can Mexicans walk through walls?

You are so ignorant. Most of the drugs are smuggled through points of entry, not open border. And even if they somehow couldn't get past the wall, they'd take a fucking boat. Italy lies across hundreds of miles of Mediterranean from North Africa, and that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Somalis and other 3rd world immigrants from invading on barrel barge.

Like I said, neither Trump nor the Republicans want to act decisively on immigration. If they did, they'd crack down on employers who hire illegals in addition to securing the border. Republican and Democratic legislators answer to big business, not you. You're just the useful idiot who gobbles up wall rhetoric to put them in office.

[ScaringChildren]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are so ignorant. Most of the drugs are smuggled through points of entry, not open border. And even if they somehow couldn't get past the wall, they'd take a fucking boat. Italy lies across hundreds of miles of Mediterranean from North Africa, and that doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Somalis and other 3rd world immigrants from invading on barrel barge.

Like I said, neither Trump nor the Republicans want to act decisively on immigration. If they did, they'd crack down on employers who hire illegals in addition to securing the border. Republican and Democratic legislators answer to big business, not you. You're just the useful idiot who gobbles up wall rhetoric to put them in office.

No, the majority of what they SEIZE is at ports of entry. The other data points are totally unknown.

I suppose they could take a boat, but honestly that's the more dangerous route for them and Coast Guard will most likely intercept them.

You're the one falling for false information, so I'm not the ignorant one here.

There's plenty of studies and data on modern walls in countries like Hungary and Israel, and they both succeed amazingly at what they're supposed to do. Sometimes cutting unlawful crossing by 90%.

But you don't want to read that data because it would hurt your perceptions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lune]

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, the majority of what they SEIZE is at ports of entry. The other data points are totally unknown.

I suppose they could take a boat, but honestly that's the more dangerous route for them and Coast Guard will most likely intercept them.

You're the one falling for false information, so I'm not the ignorant one here.

There's plenty of studies and data on modern walls in countries like Hungary and Israel, and they both succeed amazingly at what they're supposed to do. Sometimes cutting unlawful crossing by 90%.

But you don't want to read that data because it would hurt your perceptions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those walls are heavily manned and designed to cover much smaller areas. I can't believe you are comparing walls in densely populated Israel to proposed territory that includes remote Texan desert. Walls also do nothing to address the millions of illegal immigrants who are already here. Cracking down on employers by enforcing our employment laws is cheaper and more effective than building a wall.

There is literally no reason to be against this other than because your mouth is firmly attached to Trump's anus and you regurgitate only what he shits into your mouth. That you haven't even addressed this idea is very telling.

[mmmroo]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does anyone really think building a wall...sorry, a barrier...will have an affect on the flow of drugs from Mexico?

Personally i don't care about the flow of drugs from Mexico since Big Pharma is already allowed to sell and distribute one of the most devastating drugs around (opioids) so until that is dealt with it don't matter really. It's the human trafficking and illegal migrants that is the major issue.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by nostalgiaquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does anyone really think building a wall...sorry, a barrier...will have an affect on the flow of drugs from Mexico?

You're dealing with cartels that have literally infinite money and there's an infinite demand here in America. Supply and demand, capitalism at its finest.

And still no one can explain exactly how Mexico is going to pay for it, even indirectly.

The USMCA, which has yet to be ratified by Congress, doesn’t differ from NAFTA in any way that would result in a substantial revenue increase. The new provisions added deal mostly with automobile manufacturing, intellectual property rights and access to Canadian dairy, which Trump has tweeted about at length. None of these put money into the US treasury. Both NAFTA and the USMCA charge no tariffs on trade with Canada and Mexico, just as was the case with NAFTA.

I've asked this multiple times. How is Mexico paying for this wall?

Not to mention that to complete this project will take years, if it ever reaches completion, Even if Trump wins a second term, i doubt that the wall would be completed before he was out of office. I've worked on multiple multi-million dollar military construction projects, and if it actually got completed without going way over budget and behind schedule I'd be incredibly surprised.

Mexico won’t pay for the wall, but until your son is dating a 9/10 salvadorean harlot you don’t get a say. If the wall had been built 27 years ago this tragedy could’ve been avoided. She always does the dishes at least

[Irulan]

Tbh they probably bypass the the borders mostly anyway already because it's more cost effective than, just, like, walking, across. Tbh I would just use a ballistic delivery system with parachutes and a gps that dials an encrypted server for pickup via short celldata call... Like 1mbs.