Paradigm Shift Renounces Loot Coucil Fallacy And Embraces Loving DKP - Page 6

Sonderbeast · #1 11-02-2018, 11:19 AM

Kev, you really have it flipped on it's head. Dkp takes trust out of the equation entirely and makes it a transparent system. There is no more trusting neckbeard strangers online to do the right thing, it's just buying what you put the time in for. It's not hard to comprehend.

Danth · #2 11-02-2018, 11:44 AM

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Kev, you really have it flipped on it's head. Dkp takes trust out of the equation entirely and makes it a transparent system. There is no more trusting neckbeard strangers online to do the right thing, it's just buying what you put the time in for. It's not hard to comprehend.

I agree with you with respect to the purpose of the thing, except I look at the above and say two things: First, why on earth would I want to hang around people I don't trust and don't like? Second, if a guild wants to pay me, it can pay me dollars. Company scrip won't do. That's why I treat DKP loot systems as a warning sign to stay away--it's not for me. Each to his own, though. Given the peer pressure on P1999 I'm surprised Paradigm Shift held out as long as it did.

Danth

Sonderbeast · #3 11-02-2018, 12:16 PM

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I agree with you with respect to the purpose of the thing, except I look at the above and say two things: First, why on earth would I want to hang around people I don't trust and don't like? Second, if a guild wants to pay me, it can pay me dollars. Company scrip won't do. That's why I treat DKP loot systems as a warning sign to stay away--it's not for me. Each to his own, though. Given the peer pressure on P1999 I'm surprised Paradigm Shift held out as long as it did.

Danth

I surely hope that you don't 100% trust people on an internet video game. It's not unreasonable to be cautious about others behavior online and everyone should do it. I always double check that my dkp is being updated, and I would even go so far as to keep in mind loot decisions that a 'council' has made overlooking my attendance and efforts. It's just what any responsible player should do if they want to hedge against favoritism and keep their leadership accountable.

Second, RMT is not allowed on this server. I'm sure guild have operated this way and would operate this way if they could. Problems being: anyone can pay any amount of money despite their effort on any one piece of loot, which would then alienate the actual players that are the backbone of the guild. You also have to start asking the question: "Do I want to pay to play?" people are going to start dipping deeper to get pixels and actually use real money. If that's not a warning idk what is. As you start thinking about how that would work, it definitely doesn't seem like a good method for play.

shuklak · #4 11-02-2018, 11:42 AM

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Plus you don't have to hear "that's not a ranger item" no way I would have got a yummbs under LC, #flamelicksmatter

Lol yeah.

Like every loot councilmen has taken extensive study of all class playstyles and further consults with each member on their characters aspirations.

Tenderizer · #5 11-02-2018, 12:16 PM

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If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

truth, evil knows no boundaries

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Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

cant all be complete anarchy, rules are great if everyone agrees and follows them instead of trying to skurrt their way around them.. Theres no perfect system, turn the TV on to see that we havent quite figured that out as a species, yet. pixels are important enough to constantly debate.....said nobody ever.

see you soon "space cowboy"

Nexii · #6 11-02-2018, 12:20 PM

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If you can't rely on guild leadership to distribute pixels directly in a fair and honest manner, what makes you imagine that you can rely on them to create and administrate a system that is not equivalently dishonest?

Bureaucratic rulesets are always crafted to serve the interests of the class of powermongers crafting the rules, it's what sociopaths do.

DKP is a veneer of bullshit intended to deflect criticisms of a loot distribution policy that favors the toolbags running the guild and their favorite lesser tools within the membership. Amazingly (or not) it serves its purpose well. Good job helping your pixel overlords to fashion your shackles plebs, I am certain they love you for it right up until the day they cash out and go looking for a new crew of suckers in some other venue.

What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

Tenderizer · #7 11-02-2018, 12:33 PM

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What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

soo, his view of putting the burden of trust on just leadership is somehow silly to you? but putting the burden of trust into the entire guild is better? Each has + and - , very divisive.

Nexii · #8 11-02-2018, 01:20 PM

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soo, his view of putting the burden of trust on just leadership is somehow silly to you? but putting the burden of trust into the entire guild is better? Each has + and - , very divisive.

Yes, it's silly and naive. See Bvmmey / <Clue> as exhibit A

Tenderizer · #9 11-02-2018, 01:24 PM

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Yes, it's silly and naive. See Bvmmey / <Clue> as exhibit A

this doesnt make any sense? he would of stole it if it was dkp or council?

kaev · #10 11-02-2018, 01:59 PM

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What a delicious combination of paranoia and immersion you have going on. Do you want a cameo in my next chapter?

I'd like to be the prude with a furrowed brow who ends up with a literal broomstick up the ass, if you don't mind. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]