Your opinions: class preference to each race

[Bummey]

Warrior assling
Rogue assling
Ranger ----
Monk ----

Bard ----
Shadow Knight ----
Paladin ----

Cleric assling
Druid assling
Shaman -- N/A

Magician gnome
Enchanter gnome
Necromancer gnome
Wizard gnome

[Baler]

Barbarian = Warrior
Dwarf = Warrior
Dark elf = Cleric
Erudite = Cleric
Gnome = Cleric
Halfling = Cleric
Half elf = Bard
High elf = Cleric
Iksar = Monk/Necro
Human = Cleric
Ogre = Warrior
Troll = Warrior
Wood elf = Warrior

[Ella`Ella]

If it can't be a dark elf, it's not worth playing.

[Zuranthium]

In the other direction, what I would personally pick from Min/Max perspective for each class. In some cases race doesn't really matter though and it's just personal preference:

Bard = Half-Elf (weird how this race has the highest Dexterity, but okay!)

Cleric = Halfling (I've never understood why this isn't an ultra common choice for the class; sneak and hide is so good for Cleric, the stats are good, and even an exp bonus)

Druid = Wood Elf if I know Velious will be on the server, because they get a couple clickies there, otherwise Halfling.

Enchanter = High Elf for PvE server because max Charisma, Dark Elf for PvP server because Hide can randomly be useful and actually that 5 extra STR can be relevant for encumberment.

Magician = Gnome (tiny people summoning big pets is by far the coolest, but actually the small size can be a real benefit for PvP) or Dark Elf (having Hide as a skill is more useful for other classes, but it's still something that might randomly be useful)

Monk = Iksar (duh)

Necromancer = Iksar (Dark Elves look the coolest but sadly that's not enough under this consideration criteria; I wish Dark Elf Necromancers got some kind of special item that mattered)

Paladin = Dwarf (easily the best stats available)

Ranger = Wood Elf or Half-Elf, the latter is very slightly better for pure DPS stats, but -20 Wisdom can matter, so there's an argument either way. You could also say Human has perfectly competitive stats with those races too, but I think the lack of Infravision takes them down a notch for classic Everquest.

Rogue = Barbarian is highest STR which is stupidly the most important stat for the class and they also get Slam, so they are clearly the best for straightforward combat. However, there is again that consideration of lacking Infravision. Dwarves have the best stats for an Infravision race and for PvP small size can matter too, to the point that Halfling or even Gnome for the tiniest size possible can be a serious argument here.

Shaman = Ogre, or Troll, or Iksar. Frontal stun immunity can be a big deal, but the races with health regen have an obvious advantage as well. I suppose you could possibly say Barbarian has the consideration of lowest exp penalty and can use JBB while being smaller size in comparison to Ogre/Troll, but realistically they are just the weakest choice (which makes me sad, that was my first character ever!)

Shadow Knight = Troll or Ogre, with Iksar a considerion for Velious era. Again it's just what you value more between frontal stun immunity or regen, and then Iksar get a consideration for Velious era because of being able to eventually get the highest AC there.

Warrior = Ogre or Halfling, the former is best purely for combat, but sneak and hide on this class (plus the exp bonus if you care about saving time leveling) is a real consideration, as is the small size for PvP. Iksar for Velious era is a consideration too, since they eventually get the highest AC and regen is always nice.

Wizard = I think Dark Elf is best because Nektulos gate staff saves you mana for doing vendor stuff and Hide can be handy, although Erudite having slightly higher INT is an argument (that lack of Infravision tho...), and for PvP server Gnome is very much a consideration because of tiniest size.

So overall giving each race 1 point where they are my sole top pick for a class, .5 points for being listed as a strong choice, and .25 points for Iksar mentions within Velious-specific era, here is how each race is rated:

3.0 points = Iksar
2.5 points = Halfling
1.5 points = Ogre, Gnome, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Half-Elf
1 point = Troll, Wood Elf
.5 points = Barbarian, High Elf, Erudite
0 points = Human

The classes aren't balanced and race choice matters more for some classes than others, so this isn't a strictly accurate take on the power level of each race, but still pretty fun to think about!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the other direction, what I would personally pick from Min/Max perspective for each class. In some cases race doesn't really matter though and it's just personal preference:

Bard = Half-Elf (weird how this race has the highest Dexterity, but okay!)

Cleric = Halfling (I've never understood why this isn't an ultra common choice for the class; sneak and hide is so good for Cleric, the stats are good, and even an exp bonus)

Druid = Wood Elf if I know Velious will be on the server, because they get a couple clickies there, otherwise Halfling.

Enchanter = High Elf for PvE server because max Charisma, Dark Elf for PvP server because Hide can randomly be useful and actually that 5 extra STR can be relevant for encumberment.

Magician = Gnome (tiny people summoning big pets is by far the coolest, but actually the small size can be a real benefit for PvP) or Dark Elf (having Hide as a skill is more useful for other classes, but it's still something that might randomly be useful)

Monk = Iksar (duh)

Necromancer = Iksar (Dark Elves look the coolest but sadly that's not enough under this consideration criteria; I wish Dark Elf Necromancers got some kind of special item that mattered)

Paladin = Dwarf (easily the best stats available)

Ranger = Wood Elf or Half-Elf, the latter is very slightly better for pure DPS stats, but -20 Wisdom can matter, so there's an argument either way. You could also say Human has perfectly competitive stats with those races too, but I think the lack of Infravision takes them down a notch for classic Everquest.

Rogue = Barbarian is highest STR which is stupidly the most important stat for the class and they also get Slam, so they are clearly the best for straightforward combat. However, there is again that consideration of lacking Infravision. Dwarves have the best stats for an Infravision race and for PvP small size can matter too, to the point that Halfling or even Gnome for the tiniest size possible can be a serious argument here.

Shaman = Ogre, or Troll, or Iksar. Frontal stun immunity can be a big deal, but the races with health regen have an obvious advantage as well. I suppose you could possibly say Barbarian has the consideration of lowest exp penalty and can use JBB while being smaller size in comparison to Ogre/Troll, but realistically they are just the weakest choice (which makes me sad, that was my first character ever!)

Shadow Knight = Troll or Ogre, with Iksar a considerion for Velious era. Again it's just what you value more between frontal stun immunity or regen, and then Iksar get a consideration for Velious era because of being able to eventually get the highest AC there.

Warrior = Ogre or Halfling, the former is best purely for combat, but sneak and hide on this class (plus the exp bonus if you care about saving time leveling) is a real consideration, as is the small size for PvP. Iksar for Velious era is a consideration too, since they eventually get the highest AC and regen is always nice.

Wizard = I think Dark Elf is best because Nektulos gate staff saves you mana for doing vendor stuff and Hide can be handy, although Erudite having slightly higher INT is an argument (that lack of Infravision tho...), and for PvP server Gnome is very much a consideration because of tiniest size.

So overall giving each race 1 point where they are my sole top pick for a class, .5 points for being listed as a strong choice, and .25 points for Iksar mentions within Velious-specific era, here is how each race is rated:

3.0 points = Iksar
2.5 points = Halfling
1.5 points = Ogre, Gnome, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Half-Elf
1 point = Troll, Wood Elf
.5 points = Barbarian, High Elf, Erudite
0 points = Human

The classes aren't balanced and race choice matters more for some classes than others, so this isn't a strictly accurate take on the power level of each race, but still pretty fun to think about!

I thought that was a fantastic breakdown, and I 100% agree on Halfling Clerics, but ... infravision? On P99 with the Titanium client?

[Obeast44]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the other direction, what I would personally pick from Min/Max perspective for each class. In some cases race doesn't really matter though and it's just personal preference:

Bard = Half-Elf (weird how this race has the highest Dexterity, but okay!)

Cleric = Halfling (I've never understood why this isn't an ultra common choice for the class; sneak and hide is so good for Cleric, the stats are good, and even an exp bonus)

Druid = Wood Elf if I know Velious will be on the server, because they get a couple clickies there, otherwise Halfling.

Enchanter = High Elf for PvE server because max Charisma, Dark Elf for PvP server because Hide can randomly be useful and actually that 5 extra STR can be relevant for encumberment.

Magician = Gnome (tiny people summoning big pets is by far the coolest, but actually the small size can be a real benefit for PvP) or Dark Elf (having Hide as a skill is more useful for other classes, but it's still something that might randomly be useful)

Monk = Iksar (duh)

Necromancer = Iksar (Dark Elves look the coolest but sadly that's not enough under this consideration criteria; I wish Dark Elf Necromancers got some kind of special item that mattered)

Paladin = Dwarf (easily the best stats available)

Ranger = Wood Elf or Half-Elf, the latter is very slightly better for pure DPS stats, but -20 Wisdom can matter, so there's an argument either way. You could also say Human has perfectly competitive stats with those races too, but I think the lack of Infravision takes them down a notch for classic Everquest.

Rogue = Barbarian is highest STR which is stupidly the most important stat for the class and they also get Slam, so they are clearly the best for straightforward combat. However, there is again that consideration of lacking Infravision. Dwarves have the best stats for an Infravision race and for PvP small size can matter too, to the point that Halfling or even Gnome for the tiniest size possible can be a serious argument here.

Shaman = Ogre, or Troll, or Iksar. Frontal stun immunity can be a big deal, but the races with health regen have an obvious advantage as well. I suppose you could possibly say Barbarian has the consideration of lowest exp penalty and can use JBB while being smaller size in comparison to Ogre/Troll, but realistically they are just the weakest choice (which makes me sad, that was my first character ever!)

Shadow Knight = Troll or Ogre, with Iksar a considerion for Velious era. Again it's just what you value more between frontal stun immunity or regen, and then Iksar get a consideration for Velious era because of being able to eventually get the highest AC there.

Warrior = Ogre or Halfling, the former is best purely for combat, but sneak and hide on this class (plus the exp bonus if you care about saving time leveling) is a real consideration, as is the small size for PvP. Iksar for Velious era is a consideration too, since they eventually get the highest AC and regen is always nice.

Wizard = I think Dark Elf is best because Nektulos gate staff saves you mana for doing vendor stuff and Hide can be handy, although Erudite having slightly higher INT is an argument (that lack of Infravision tho...), and for PvP server Gnome is very much a consideration because of tiniest size.

So overall giving each race 1 point where they are my sole top pick for a class, .5 points for being listed as a strong choice, and .25 points for Iksar mentions within Velious-specific era, here is how each race is rated:

3.0 points = Iksar
2.5 points = Halfling
1.5 points = Ogre, Gnome, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Half-Elf
1 point = Troll, Wood Elf
.5 points = Barbarian, High Elf, Erudite
0 points = Human

The classes aren't balanced and race choice matters more for some classes than others, so this isn't a strictly accurate take on the power level of each race, but still pretty fun to think about!

Don't forget Troll Shamans (innoruuk god) get a clicky snare neck. If you don't know how useful that is....
Iksars can't use JBB. So they are literally bottom of the barrel next to barbarians.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Obeast44 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Iksars can't use JBB. So they are literally bottom of the barrel next to barbarians.

JBB is largely irrelevant for end game Shaman, especially in Velious era. You want to be spending your time in combat doing other things than a long cast, relatively low damage clicky.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

JBB is largely irrelevant for end game Shaman, especially in Velious era. You want to be spending your time in combat doing other things than a long cast, relatively low damage clicky.

First of all, there's a lot more to this game than just the end-game, and second even as a level 60 Shaman with Torpor I still use my JBB all the time. Certainly less so when I'm in Velious, but even then it's useful in some fights (not everything on the continent has insane cold resist), and it's still really useful in classic and Kunark zones (eg. when I'm soloing NG in Sebilis).

JBB is basically the best melee weapon a Shaman can get, and thus is useful anytime you're face tanking a mob that isn't super cold resistant. No melee weapon (that I know of) can do more damage with the extra hit or two it would get in during a JBB cast, than the JBB cast itself can do.

[Issar]

This is something that has been on my mind lately. I'm currently working on building my 3D art profile, which is emphasizing character art. I decided to do a project that I call "EQ Redeux" as I'm going to be recreating some of what I consider the iconic race/class combos from EQ (some decisions are more of a design choice for diversity). Any way, this is what I have laid out currently.

Bard / Half Elf
Cleric / Half Elf / Female (praise Lolth!)
Druid / Halfling
Enchanter / High Elf
Magician / Gnome
Monk / Human
Necro / Iksar
Paladin / Dwarf
Ranger / Wood Elf
SK / Ogre or Troll
Shaman / Barbarian
Warrior / Ogre or Troll
Wizard / Erudite

I was able to start a few weeks ago and haven't gotten too far due to work and family, but here are a few pics of where I'm at with my first toon, which is DE cleric. Her skin has a long ways to go still, and will lighten up as I go. I have some armor made, but I'm not ready to setup render shots.

Head shot
Front
Back

I'll create a post when I finish her, and the others. So if anyone has any interest they can check them out.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by Issar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is something that has been on my mind lately. I'm currently working on building my 3D art profile, which is emphasizing character art. I decided to do a project that I call "EQ Redeux" as I'm going to be recreating some of what I consider the iconic race/class combos from EQ (some decisions are more of a design choice for diversity). Any way, this is what I have laid out currently.

Bard / Half Elf
Cleric / Half Elf / Female (praise Lolth!)
Druid / Halfling
Enchanter / High Elf
Magician / Gnome
Monk / Human
Necro / Iksar
Paladin / Dwarf
Ranger / Wood Elf
SK / Ogre or Troll
Shaman / Barbarian
Warrior / Ogre or Troll
Wizard / Erudite

I was able to start a few weeks ago and haven't gotten too far due to work and family, but here are a few pics of where I'm at with my first toon, which is DE cleric. Her skin has a long ways to go still, and will lighten up as I go. I have some armor made, but I'm not ready to setup render shots.

Head shot
Front
Back

I'll create a post when I finish her, and the others. So if anyone has any interest they can check them out.

Hey Issar,

This thread was inspired by the original eq artwork. A always tried to guess what class went with each race. Some seem easy, others aren't so obvious. I've also yet to see a giant goblin