TAKP Luclin release date announced

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luclin + old client >> Velious.. forever. Imho.

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I like takp but I love p99. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Torven]

Hit F9 once. Hold alt while pressing up key to zoom out more. Now you have a third person camera in the old client. It's worse than mouse zoom, but perfectly usable.

[Irulan]

I don't get why people have to see their characters. It makes me dysphoric.

[Baler]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't get why people have to see their characters. It makes me dysphoric.

360 pov

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you play on "discouraged boxing" TLP servers for any meaningful period of time?

If you re-read my post you'll see that "discouraged boxing" was referring to the classic EQ servers, not the TLP servers. Indeed, as you noted:

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

plenty of people who wanted to did boxed 2-6 characters

"True box" protection didn't work ... but the way classic EQ discouraged boxing did.

Classic EQ required $50 to get an account, plus a $10/month subscription, plus a second computer ... at least until EQW came out. Even when it did though single-computer boxing sucked at first: you'd get lag when ALT-TAB-ing between your two EQ windows, and the lag got a lot worse if you tried running three or more.

Flash forward to today: you can run six EQ instances without your computer's fans even turning on, new accounts cost nothing, and if you play on live the subscription fee is the exact same amount as it was back in 2000, except that it's in today's dollars and you can pay it with Kronos. Emulated servers of course cost nothing.

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why limited boxing and people who don't want to box can't co-exist.

We used to have limited boxing in old school EQ, because of the things I mentioned above, but all those limitations are gone now. Technology is better, emulated servers can't charge, etc. As a result, there is no "limited boxing" option anymore: emulated servers have to chose between "let everyone box" or "let no one box".

If you let everyone box it will, unsurprisingly, result in a server where most people box. But when anyone new plays on such a server their reaction will inevitably be "this isn't what live EQ was like", because it wasn't: back in the day live never had 50+% people boxing.

Now there is nothing wrong with 50 (or however many actual players the next most popular server has) all playing three characters at once, and if they have fun together then great ... but that's not what anyone's original EQ experience was. Project 1999 is the only emulated server which understands this critical fact: if server A isn't like live EQ, and server B is, B is going to be wildly more successful, even if it makes incredibly unpopular decisions like never going past Velious.

Think about that for just a sec: the P99 people made a decision that affects just about everything on the server, and the vast vast majority of its population strongly objects to that decision ... and yet P99 is still the most popular emulated server, by like a factor of ten! Because of its boxing policy, along with many other factors, P99 resembles live EQ, while all the other emulated servers simply don't.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you re-read my post you'll see that "discouraged boxing" was referring to the classic EQ servers, not the TLP servers. Indeed, as you noted:



"True box" protection didn't work ... but the way classic EQ discouraged boxing did.

Classic EQ required $50 to get an account, plus a $10/month subscription, plus a second computer ... at least until EQW came out. Even when it did though single-computer boxing sucked at first: you'd get lag when ALT-TAB-ing between your two EQ windows, and the lag got a lot worse if you tried running three or more.

Flash forward to today: you can run six EQ instances without your computer's fans even turning on, new accounts cost nothing, and if you play on live the subscription fee is the exact same amount as it was back in 2000, except that it's in today's dollars and you can pay it with Kronos. Emulated servers of course cost nothing.


We used to have limited boxing in old school EQ, because of the things I mentioned above, but all those limitations are gone now. Technology is better, emulated servers can't charge, etc. As a result, there is no "limited boxing" option anymore: emulated servers have to chose between "let everyone box" or "let no one box".

If you let everyone box it will, unsurprisingly, result in a server where most people box. But when anyone new plays on such a server their reaction will inevitably be "this isn't what live EQ was like", because it wasn't: back in the day live never had 50+% people boxing.

Now there is nothing wrong with 50 (or however many actual people the next most popular server has) all playing three characters at once, and if they have fun together then great ... but that's not what anyone's original EQ experience was. Project 1999 is the only emulated server which understands this critical fact.

If server A isn't like live EQ, and server B is, B is going to be wildly more successful, even if it makes incredibly unpopular decisions like never going past Velious. Think about that for a sec: the P99 people made a critical decision that has a huge impact on the server, and most of its player base disagrees with that decision, yet P99 is still the most popular emulated server! I can see no better explanation for that than the fact that (in large part because of their boxing policy) P99 resembles live EQ, while all the other emulated servers don't.

Well, no, that's the function of the 3 box limit, to represent Live, where you could box but it had a cost. I'll grant you that the hardware is immensely more powerful, but if we go down that trail then we'll all have to switch to modems, boxing or not. Live never had people with no lag, live never had people with ability to support insane resolutions, etc.
I still think your assumption that it is the single boxing fact that supports the entirety of P99's success to be not convincing. Did you read my earlier, longer post about that? I mean, you might be right but I don't think the argument has enough sample size and controls for all the other great things about P99 to really stand up.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, no, that's the function of the 3 box limit, to represent Live, where you could box but it had a cost.

Again, live was nothing like an emulated 3-box server. It simply wasn't, which is why anyone who played on live and visits an 3-box server is going to think:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"this isn't what live EQ was like", because it wasn't: back in the day live never had 50+% people boxing.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Gnome Wizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTB Red luclin server

$250k

And I bet even nilbog would help make it.