"Competition", "Skill", Cognitive Dissonance, and You.

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by ZiggyTheMuss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

talks about video game "skillz" and somehow finds the time to lurk the forums of a game he doesn't even play, lol what a fucking nerd

He's definitely the only one who does this [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Heebs13]

Certain key roles in P99 raids take skill, such as pulling or leading. If shit hits the fan, a skilled chanter, or offtank / healer combo can save the raid before things snowball out of control. For the most part though, most p99 raiding is decided by who had more people show up faster. That's not really skill, that's dedication.

It's dedication to wake up at 3am for a batphone. It's dedication to farm for hours to get clickies or plat to recharge clickies. It's dedication to poopsock a mob for a 16 hour window, or coth duck for 16 hours straight. It's dedication to be within arms reach of your computer for 16 hours so that you can log in at a moment's notice when the batphone hits. But it's not skill. Dedication and skill are two different things, and I'd argue p99 raiding is mostly dedication with bits of skill sprinkled throughout.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Certain key roles in P99 raids take skill, such as pulling or leading. If shit hits the fan, a skilled chanter, or offtank / healer combo can save the raid before things snowball out of control. For the most part though, most p99 raiding is decided by who had more people show up faster. That's not really skill, that's sickness.

It's sickness to wake up at 3am for a batphone. It's sickness to farm for hours to get clickies or plat to recharge clickies. It's sickness to poopsock a mob for a 16 hour window, or coth duck for 16 hours straight. It's sickness to be within arms reach of your computer for 16 hours so that you can log in at a moment's notice when the batphone hits. But it's not skill. Sickness and skill are two different things, and I'd argue p99 raiding is mostly sickness with bits of skill sprinkled throughout.

Fixed for nuance.

[Wonkie]

lol at bda agreeing with the brokebrained lurker

(am i doing papas gimmick right?)

[splose]

If I knew the replies were gonna get so much tastier I wouldn't have said I was leaving! So let's get back into it.

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So dodging flames and lich kings defile or mobs grabbing you and pulling you off the ledge if they come near you is somehow...hard?

Oh, lets not forget that there is a mod that tells you when all these things are going to happen. In wow you literally just need to be able to read and memorize encounters. Sounds tough.

Mythics are the same thing except the mobs have more hp. Sounds real tough.

Know what classic eq has that wow never had? Dynamic. There is simply no dynamic to any fight. Every fight in classic eq anything can happen on any fight and at any given time. Also, running thru 25 man LFRs without a single word being spoken to by anyone sounds like a real blast.

First, the mechanics you outlined for the LK encounter shows that if you've ever done it you've only done it on normal mode. I am talking about Heroic (which is now equivalent to Mythic mode).

Second, yes the addon you're referring to bigwigs/DBM does exist. You are wrong about Mythic and old school Heroic just being scaled up higher in terms of HP. This tier adds in new boss mechanics in 99% of encounters. I feel it necessary to also note that most zones in that game have maybe 10 encounters on average. With the first couple being easier and ramping up as you progress further. You are also being a bit disingenuous about the HP upgrade as well seeing as it is tuned in such a way that all of your DPS need to be executing their rotations near perfectly to beat the DPS check of these fights. Your healers need to be on point. Tanks need to be using their active mitigation, etc.

Is raiding these modernized MMOs rocket science? Absolutely not, but compared to pressing your 1 or 2 buttons on EQ it is. I also feel it necessary to note that WoTLK is 10 years old by now. The average difficulty of raids has gone up with time. As far as your LFR comment nobody is talking about LFR. I have only ever talked about the highest tier which would be Heroic back in the day and now Mythic.

Here is my proposition for you. Bring 20 of your best members over to WoW for the new expansion releasing in August. Since your top RMT crew just got BTFO I'm sure you will need a new source of income. IF you and your best 20 can achieve top 100 US on over 75% of the encounters in the first raid zone for the new expac I will paypal you $100 for each encounter that is in the top 100.

The chances of you doing this are obviously zero because like I've tried to stress from the first post in this thread. You and your guild and others like you don't want competition. I think there is a much needed detox from Velious in your guild.

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not that I don't agree that EQ is pretty trivial but, I have to point out the obvious that OP is NOT someone who just lurks.

He was obviously slighted out of pixels for a long time and is very upset about it. Funny someone who lurks cares to follow that many rules, knows who is the GL of what and what guild does what.

If you were "helping" with projects, which might I ask and can anyone confirm that story of yours?

If you care that much about a server you don't play, and don't really understand the frame of mind or ruleset people who are playing are in, and your sole grip is to come here and push that WoW is more of an opportunity than any a game you don't play than you are worse off than most here.

I'm not sure what rules you're talking about but I can assure you I have never played P99. Reading RNF for 5 mins you will be able to tell who the top guilds are and I've read all the reetox threads. Quality shit.

As for your bolded question sure I'll bite. I have gone by the name Kenej/Splose over the years. The projects I have been the owner/operator of are as following:

EQDestiny (My entry into EQEmu development I took over this server after the owner didn't want to do it anymore)
Erollisi Marr
Kenej's Custom Progression
EQTownship

I have helped out Scars of Amerous and briefly was in the process of revamping Akka's Funhouse but that was pretty much called off after Hunter passed away and Akka went to go run the EZ server. I have only ever really been interested in custom content.

A few quick searches of the EQEmu forums can confirm this.

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also I'd say majority of players here have also played WoW at some period of time and majority of them were raiding. Most people come back here because of many factors. Some people enjoy corpse runs, no maps, and a hard level grind. The only good thing about WoW Classic since we are referencing a classic game here, is PVP and AQ.

One important distinction is that I am not saying that simply playing P99 is an illness. Far from it. The points I've made and people I'm talking about have been very clear. The "hardcore" super skilled competition seekers of the Velious expansion in 2018.

Also, I don't think comparing WoW classic is fair either because classic's raids were pretty much the same as EQ. Barely any mechanics and mostly tank and spank with maybe 1 or 2 jobs. Scaled to 40 mans. When you have that many numbers the difficulty automatically goes down, which is why Heroic 10man raiding was the hardest in the game for the longest time. However the majority of serious guilds were raiding 25m so they decided to cut 10m and scale 25 back to 20.

[BallzDeep]

Not that I don't agree that EQ is pretty trivial but, I have to point out the obvious that OP is NOT someone who just lurks.

He was obviously slighted out of pixels for a long time and is very upset about it. Funny someone who lurks cares to follow that many rules, knows who is the GL of what and what guild does what.

If you were "helping" with projects, which might I ask and can anyone confirm that story of yours?

If you care that much about a server you don't play, and don't really understand the frame of mind or ruleset people who are playing are in, and your sole grip is to come here and push that WoW is more of an opportunity than any a game you don't play than you are worse off than most here.

[branamil]

really sad that op thought this would be a bombshell. Very passé. It feels like it’s about 2 years behind the conversation. I guess not participating until the day you snap makes you an out of touch weirdo

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by splose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am here to make the argument that neither guilds, or anyone who raids in EverQuest for that matter is particularly skilled at all.

skill
skil/
noun
noun: skill

the ability to do something well; expertise.

ex·per·tise
ˌekspərˈtēz,ˌekspərˈtēs/
noun
noun: expertise

expert skill or knowledge in a particular field.

knowl·edge
ˈnäləj/
noun
noun: knowledge; plural noun: knowledges

1.
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.


If you don't understand why your argument fails by reading a few simple definitions of common words, then you're one of those people I know better than to argue with on the internet.

[splose]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

skill
skil/
noun
noun: skill

the ability to do something well; expertise.

ex·per·tise
ˌekspərˈtēz,ˌekspərˈtēs/
noun
noun: expertise

expert skill or knowledge in a particular field.

knowl·edge
ˈnäləj/
noun
noun: knowledge; plural noun: knowledges

1.
facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.


If you don't understand why your argument fails by reading a few simple definitions of common words, then you're one of those people I know better than to argue with on the internet.

I forgot to quote this in my post above, but it's probably best since you literally have made no argument. You just want to play semantics.

[Mead]

swish gearing up for another autistic meltown / 15th ban