"Competition", "Skill", Cognitive Dissonance, and You.

[Raev]

OP, I congratulate you on obtaining a truly epic level of autism. A child of three would realize this thread would backfire.

[Mead]

stick to lurking, pal

you were better at it

[Swish2]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stick to lurking, pal

you were better at it

Ever take your own advice? lol

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Swish2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ever take your own advice? lol

I've conquered you pal, and it's satisfying

put in any petitions lately? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nexii]

People don't play primarily for the skill or challenge involved. Maybe those that don't get social interaction like OP. Most people play to have fun with their friends and have a sense of progression. Nothing more really.

Re: WOW vs EQ, WOW was the better game in terms of mechanics and depth. But at the same time, WOW stripped out too much of the aspects that led to social interaction, leaving it about as fun as EQ overall. I've raided both about equally over the years.

[Swish2]

I'll take that as a no then, try practicing what you preach [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[splose]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Project 1999ing, unlike you (apparently)

Definitely the best post in this thread so far.

Originally Posted by Speedi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. No
2. Yes and no

Yes, when it comes to who can log on the required number of toons the fastest and work together to kill X target the quickest.

No, when it comes to true difficulty. The game has been out so long and all encounters have been done many times before by many different people.

3. Some players in both guilds you mentioned could make the adjustment, and some couldn’t.

WoW is considered easier than EQ for one the ease of leveling to max level and also because of its marketing, some call it pay to win. But I would be willing to bet most guilds on p99 could kill most raid targets, what makes raiding on p99 different is because the amount of time a guild has to invest to get a shot a target.

With that said I understand where you’re coming from. Heroic encounters (now mythic I think?) on WoW is much tougher than classic EQ. What makes classic EQ stand out (and IMO better) is real players in a true simulated world vs instanced content where you can just restart the instance and keep going again and again till you win.

Keep in mind this is coming from a former WoW raider/PvPer (during WotLK expansion as well) and former p99 raider.

I suppose I can concede to the bolded point. I just feel it is a bit watered down competition compared to a game where everybody has a fair shot, and it doesn't come down to who can batphone their people the most efficiently.

I also agree with you that you do get a much different feeling out of a true simulated world vs resetting an instance. For what it's worth I want to make it clear that I only used WoW as an example because that's what I have experience with raiding at the top tier past EverQuest. I'm sure my argument is applicable to most modernized MMOs vs EQ. I am sure that some players could make the switch but I doubt the majority could.

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP claims he doesn't play here and that this server requires no skill while spamming f5 and replying to any post in record times.

Seek help.

Is that him? The gatekeeper of antique pixels himself?

Anyone in this thread can say what they want, but the mental illness I've been trying to learn more about has manifested as a person and posted in my thread.

Definitely satisfied now.

[Runningfish]

Originally Posted by splose [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure that some players could make the switch but I doubt the majority could.

Lol you honestly think that the majority of high end raiders here couldn't make the switch to WoW if they spent just as much time playing it? Get off your high horse.

If your saying they couldn't just jump on WoW and beat mythic encounters then yea no way. However I doubt any WoW player could jump on EQ and do some of the pulls/other crap that some classes have to do without experience either.

You name the 2 classes with the most simple jobs in raiding as your examples. No one here thinks the mechanics of EQ mobs are as difficult as WoW raids. The difficulty in EQ comes from other factors.

But yes WoW raid mechanics are harder.

[Sadiki]

I've honestly never played a MMO that requires less skill than EQ. Most classes are one-button-spammers, and most people can't even handle doing that while paying attention for 2 minutes to kill a copy-pasted, generic dragon fight. It blows my mind that people struggle with EQ mobs while there's people in GW2 doing 70 ability rotations while dodging absurd amounts of telegraphed abilities. This is a server of lazy rejects, and yeah I say that while being someone who chooses to play here.

The only challenge is in that everyone here fights with each other and tries their hardest to block each other out of gear and numbers to be able to do anything. It's already been proven almost any guild can kill anything up to Vulak, with the exception being Klandi/Zlandi/etc. None of this barely passes as competition at all, and the term is only used when it's convenient anyways. This be the land of trolls and delusions.

Also, lol @ WoW comparisons. Difficulty aside, WoW has, y'know, actual mechanics and you play the game when you launch it. EQ only has timed AEs and most people don't even "play" P99, it just hides behind their Netflix window.

[branamil]

Everyone has a mental illness except me