What is your most elitist Everquest viewpoint?

[Nagoya]

why did this thread turn from "elitist point of view" to "complaints about other people"? lol. the original idea was nice enough, there is a whole forum section to complaint about other people ^^;

another of my elitist views: if you play Agnostic you're weak and you're not immersed enough and you fail at EQ.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why did this thread turn from "elitist point of view" to "complaints about other people"? lol. the original idea was nice enough, there is a whole forum section to complaint about other people ^^;

another of my elitist views: if you play Agnostic you're weak and you're not immersed enough and you fail at EQ.

I kinda am behind this mindset myself.

It makes me feel weird RPwise (I know I know) why someone would be agnostic in a world where the literal gods walk around and do pretty impressive stuff.

Reminds me a bit of that Discworld Tale within a Tale (bless Pratchett) of the Agnostic guy in Discworld that the gods regularly threw stones at his house when bored ... lol , you know, for not believing in them!

Also Offler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vormotus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I kinda am behind this mindset myself.

It makes me feel weird RPwise (I know I know) why someone would be agnostic in a world where the literal gods walk around and do pretty impressive stuff.

Reminds me a bit of that Discworld Tale within a Tale (bless Pratchett) of the Agnostic guy in Discworld that the gods regularly threw stones at his house when bored ... lol , you know, for not believing in them!

Also Offler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

[Nagoya]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Nagoya [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only problem with that is that "agnostic" is a real word with a real definition, and it is closer to the latter than the former [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] if it was called "Flaputitious" with your definition then sure np!

I think expecting words to mean the same thing in the real world as in a fantasy setting, which has actual gods and magic, is kinda silly.

I mean, just look at the word "magic": in the real world, it doesn't mean fireballs, a glowing sword, or having a wolf spirit make you run faster ... it means Penn and Teller performing illusions ("illusions" with the real-world meaning, not the EQ "Illusion: Dark Elf" meaning).

Honestly the "EQ definition" of agnostic isn't really much different form the real-world meaning, but even so, if words like magic and illusion can have much different meanings in EQ, why can't agnostic?

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

And there is the difference between agnostic and atheist. Too many think it's the same.
Agnostic: "God(s) exist, I just don't worship any in particular."
Atheist: "god(s)? Let me show you thing this called science, because gods don't exist"

And to stick with the topic, and I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this one, but when I see macros like this....

Tank: heal please
Cleric: Hold on to your horses hats, because I'm about to knock them off with a complete heal incoming to the mighty %T


That shit is dumb. Whatever happened to the simple and effective, "CH to %t"

Also, when people break my mezzes on my bard, and then claim it's because I'm not spamming " mezzing %t". That's a fair point, but it also doesn't explain why you aren't assisting the tank and have repeatedly broken my mezzes on 3-4 mobs. Have faith in your group members to do there job. If they aren't, address it. But one of my huge pet peeves is people telling others how to play their class in an 18 year old game when they haven't even met said person and have no idea if they know what they are doing or not.

[Vormotus]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've always seen Agnostic in EverQuest as meaning "I haven't picked any particular god to devote myself to", not "I'm skeptical that deities exist".

True true, I stand corrected, but still I feel it is a bit of a jaded disposition rp wise, but then again using the definition as it is , can give a new twist to people that choose Agnostic, and broadens the Katta and Vah Shir Spiritual context within the mythos

But I always felt wrong about it, due to the afterlife and how it is handled.

Loose spirits roam, hence why the Vah Shir have such strong animistic tendencies, but I still feel they should have been able to worship Luclin, even in her presumed state.

The Afterlife as seen in the game kinda blows, as unaffiliated spirits end up shackled and tormented or are forced to roam mindlessly . Only very powerful necromancers get a shot at true sentient immortality, the rest are ... well, in torment like the State of Unrest clearly shows, but my opinion is that being Agnostic forces you to roam Norrath at the beck and call of shamans and necromancers after you die [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are some if I recall correctly, other powerful spirits that remain bound to Norrath, serving as protectors and are not evil, but you end up shackled still.

At least some of the norrath gods offer succour , and even today Rodcet Nife still weirds me out, wonder what an afterlife with him as a patron would be like, because he is one of the few gods of norrath that came from somewhere else, perhaps he knows that death and the afterlife are very nihilistic for some souls.

Hehe.

So yeah, I still feel Agnostic is kinda odd within the universe (outside of ease of game mechanics and factioning of course)[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Vormotus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So yeah, I still feel Agnostic is kinda odd within the universe (outside of ease of game mechanics and factioning of course)[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to let reality intrude on a perfectly good fictional computer game, but ... here on Earth, back when people believed in polytheistic religions (eg. in ancient Greece) almost everyone was "agnostic".

The vast vast majority of ordinary people believed in all of the various gods, but they worshipped whichever god could best fulfill their needs at any moment. For instance, farmers almost certainly gave more offerings to Demeter, but that didn't mean they "picked Demeter at character creation." If they were going to have a party they'd say a prayer or make an offering to Dionysus. If they needed to know what would happen in the future they'd consult a priest of Apollo, and if they got sick they'd pray to Asclepius (a lesser known god of healing). If their wife needed marital help she'd pray to Hera, and so on.

My point is that the only people who actually pledged themselves to one specific god were priests/priestesses and the members of "mystery cults" ... which were very small, secretive groups that made up less than 1% of the overall population. Aside from them, the default of almost everyone back in those days was to believe in all the gods, and pay tribute to any that were relevant to you, but never actually commit to any one in particular.

If anything EQ should have used the term "polytheist" instead of "agnostic", but while that might have been more accurate, it probably also would have confused a lot of modern players raised in monotheistic systems.

[kjs86z]

Over-eager damage dealers that break my CC'd mobs before the tank has even picked a target.

Annoying AF, not even elitist really. Just sit on your mfkin hands until you see the tank swinging away.

[Freakish]

All non obtainable ST loot besides gnome mask is overrated. If you have a gnome mask you won the game.

Anyone who bothers with clearing Pot trash to kill Tunare does not value their time. Nothing she drops is worth all that effort to gear out 1-2 people.