Paradigm Shit

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if numbers are limited, its a recruiting issue.

examining your loot policy may help with that

I don’t think PS does much active recruiting. I found it because I grouped with someone’s alt (who has logged on like twice since he told me I should consider it...). I’m pretty sure that’s how 95% of the people I’ve seen join have done so. There is... not much content we can’t do solo - and we do team ups when appropriate for that content.

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if numbers are limited, its a recruiting issue.

examining your loot policy may help with that

Now you are just talking nonsense. If you recruit a bunch of plebs the amount of loot required to keep the masses from revolting increases and there is less loot to spread between the officer alts.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you are just talking nonsense. If you recruit a bunch of plebs the amount of loot required to keep the masses from revolting increases and there is less loot to spread between the officer alts.

did i pass the bar?

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did i pass the bar?

Yes. You are now a young lawyer. Please use your powers for good.

[valaka]

There are issues with both systems imo. The best system I have been a part of was a simple dkp system where every item has a set price and the person who has the highest total dkp that put in for the item wins it for a specific price.

[Supaskillz]

I love the whole "spy" thing. What are these secret agents learning? Raid strategies that have not been thought of in the past 17 years? Death timers with two quakes/mo creating a short window when every mob dies ? What are these closely guarded secrets ?

[Mead]

19 pages and I just realized it said paradigm shit

[phatogre]

i have done well with PS loot council, and the leadership is great, but that does not meant it isn't fundamentally flawed system. Just like a dictatorship can be benevolent and prosperous, but at high risk of corruption/damage/mutiny, the loot council system puts a huge human element into the loot distribution, wehereas DKP keeps a players fate in their own hands. i would not want to go to my job every week if my boss decided if I got goods that week or not, i would rather earn money and spend it as I see fit. whether or not the PS loot council is corrupt is really beside the point, what it does by default is add a lot of "feeling" and emotionalism into a process which should really be mechanical.

The other problem is that it creates a sort of "we are not worthy" culture from members around the leadership (probably not intended) because you really want to stroke the ego/not offend the people who decide what loot you get when you may spend 20-30 hours raiding per week. i would prefer officers were involved in leadership only, and let DKP decide loot. For exsample, we did PoG yesterday and got terrible lootz from Tunare and spent 8+ hours there, and if you did not get a drop pretty much all that time was wasted unless you worked on Officer Faction during the raid (be as talky as possible/be a useful class). it really just isn't pleasant for a end game raiding guild, even with the flaws dkp systems has.

[jilena]

Originally Posted by phatogre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The other problem is that it creates a sort of "we are not worthy" culture from members around the leadership (probably not intended) because you really want to stroke the ego/not offend the people who decide what loot you get when you may spend 20-30 hours raiding per week. i would prefer officers were involved in leadership only, and let DKP decide loot. For exsample, we did PoG yesterday and got terrible lootz from Tunare and spent 8+ hours there, and if you did not get a drop pretty much all that time was wasted unless you worked on Officer Faction during the raid (be as talky as possible/be a useful class). it really just isn't pleasant for a end game raiding guild, even with the flaws dkp systems has.

What the fuck are you talking about? This is hands down the best part of PS. Kicking back, watching all the greedy fucks nutriding the shit out of the officer pool... Then seeing them all butthurt and posting on RNF with some throwaway account when it doesn't work out for them. This is what makes PS a magical place. You can earn dragon bucks to soullessly accumulate loot just about anywhere on P99. Why would you want to kill the human element of PS and the joy to be had in all the tears it brings?! Take your cold lifeless fairness and shove it up your ass! Bring me the tears of lootwhores!

[phatogre]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the fuck are you talking about? This is hands down the best part of PS. Kicking back, watching all the greedy fucks nutriding the shit out of the officer pool... Then seeing them all butthurt and posting on RNF with some throwaway account when it doesn't work out for them. This is what makes PS a magical place. You can earn dragon bucks to soullessly accumulate loot just about anywhere on P99. Why would you want to kill the human element of PS and the joy to be had in all the tears it brings?! Take your cold lifeless fairness and shove it up your ass! Bring me the tears of lootwhores!

actually u r right, keep it the same