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[raato]

Originally Posted by Argentate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to your supreme leader Cuckasi, the petition from Europa was for stalling, which would've been false accusation in the first place, and not the reason AW received an extra seven days for. How Menden spared Europa at least 20 days for crying-wolf is beyond me.

Get off your moral high horse Europa, you are not a virgin anymore.

Petition was indeed about stalling, made by a regular Europa member. So it wasn't even a raid dispute petition since only guild leadership can post such petition. Petition was targetting the group of players that were stalling, not the guild. And they were given fair chance to work it out before petition went in.

About stalling, I'm not sure since I wasn't there and haven't seen any complete footage of the kill, but I have been told Vaniki was kited over 10 minutes at the entrance before it was engaged at brought under 100% health while about 2 groups of Europa members were watching it happen. Maybe post the complete video of the kill including the pull if 10+ mins isn't correct? And I'm not sure what is the case with Vaniki and stalling rules. But maybe this quote from Mendem will enlighten his opinion about stalling in general (original post: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...69#post2657569):

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Delaying a kill(kiting), 5-10 minutes is fairly reasonable, it all depends on the situation. Like I said before, don't kite a mob around waiting for your raid force for more then 5-10 minutes if you get FTE, be ready to engage. And if you are watching someone else do this, be sure they are truly delaying, don't let the pixelfever get the best of you.

[Ruhtar]

Ok gaiz, we just got suspended two days ago, lets go kill Vaniki while we have an audience at entrance. What could possibly go wrong?

Go outside ya nerds. Or shoot people in Call of Duty or something.

[Bboboo]

Keep it up guys! Great reading material for all of us normies.

[d3r14k]

Originally Posted by Bboboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep it up guys! Great reading material for all of us normies.

[HalasHermit]

I was told 9 Awakened were on log by staff when I very politely asked about it.... /shrug

As I said earlier, 3 swapped after pull was done, was never more than 6 humans and the overall encounter log will reflect that, so hopefully it is looked at and not just the head count numbers.

Shit here I am using facts and logic in RNF again, my bad all.

Glad Europa inflated it to 13 to make it seem worse though.

There how's that?

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by HalasHermit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was told 9 Awakened were on log by staff when I very politely asked about it.... /shrug

As I said earlier, 3 swapped after pull was done, was never more than 6 humans and the overall encounter log will reflect that, so hopefully it is looked at and not just the head count numbers.

Shit here I am using facts and logic in RNF again, my bad all.

Glad Europa inflated it to 13 to make it seem worse though.

There how's that?

Do you have video of the pull and them swapping ? Because that is the only way you will disprove encounter logs. Just a heads up. The staff looks at those logs and when folks drop off aggro you gotta prove they didn't die on the pull etc. and that 6 were indeed all that was used.

Either way you guys are dumb for even putting yourselves in the situation.

[Jameus]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would make sense if 3 people were swapping to other roles that 9 would show up on the log. Server staff should be able to verify it too. If those AW members sent a petition in with the names of players/accounts that they swapping from/to I would think they could get the extra 7 days dropped.

On the other hand maybe the staff view the need to use more than 6 toons from start to finish as not one-groupable content by definition, and the swapping to different toons was against the spirit of the way that rule is written.

This is what I was thinking also. I'm confident they can see who logged in/out and when. Yes it's more homework than they might be willing to do for Awakened right now, but it would certainly be the most fair approach to gather ALL facts.

Like you mentioned also, it's possible they are going to just run with the "against the spirit of the rules" thing and that is a good lesson for all guilds.



As for the "why risk it opinion".. uhm 6 people playing EQ to kill things in game isn't a risk it's called Monday. It was an unfortunate situation that Sozo zoned in for 20seconds.. it's also an unfortunate situation that another guild can't just accept they weren't able to do what this group of 6 players could do, as quickly as they could, and simply try again another day with more speed and knowledge.

[Ruhtar]

Originally Posted by Jameus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's also an unfortunate situation that another guild can't just accept they weren't able to do what this group of 6 players could do, as quickly as they could, and simply try again another day with more speed and knowledge.

Well, sounds like you guys couldn't either if you were swapping toons in and out, right?

[Barcelona]

Originally Posted by Jameus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what I was thinking also. I'm confident they can see who logged in/out and when. Yes it's more homework than they might be willing to do for Awakened right now, but it would certainly be the most fair approach to gather ALL facts.

Like you mentioned also, it's possible they are going to just run with the "against the spirit of the rules" thing and that is a good lesson for all guilds.



As for the "why risk it opinion".. uhm 6 people playing EQ to kill things in game isn't a risk it's called Monday. It was an unfortunate situation that Sozo zoned in for 20seconds.. it's also an unfortunate situation that another guild can't just accept they weren't able to do what this group of 6 players could do, as quickly as they could, and simply try again another day with more speed and knowledge.

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man you guys just dont get it, do you?

Still not one single post or comment accepting responsibility for anything you've done.

Ella'Ella - make note to bookmark this instance for future lawyer-questings.
i.e. it is NOT ok to swap over characters in an encounter to give the illusion of a 1-group kill.

Now we all know this, as is the case of Europa Vs. Awakened in Dragon Necropolis - Vaniki April 8, 2018

[Detoxx]

Man you guys just dont get it, do you?

Still not one single post or comment accepting responsibility for anything you've done.