AW...whelp..here it goes again...

[raato]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raato would you care to cite some specific examples of Aftermath cheating and breaking rules??

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=287229
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=284291
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=280607
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=269930
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=268709
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=261899
https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=253736

And this is only to scratch the surface. We all know ALOT of the shenanigans go unpunished, because it is usually very hard to prove that other party has been cheating or because some technicality in ruleslawyering.

[raato]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok let me rephrase what specifically has AM done to you that has led you to that conclusion.

I only got old examples since I don't raid much on P99 anymore, because the rules at their current state allow edge to people who are willing to cheat and break the rules so I rather play on server without any raiding rules.

But there was this CT some time ago when you could still kite trash outside of leashing range while killing CT and after CSG engaged CT and had kite under control AM members used bladestoppers and mallets etc. to overagro mobs from CSGs kite to bring them close enough to CT to get CSG raid trained. AM didn't eat punishment for it, eventho server staff agreed that you had wronged, but this rule change went in instead: "Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.". Because at that time it was common strategy that A/A did some very shady shit to get "wins" and when you got caught you only lost 1 mobs loots, since concessions must have been accepted if it was offered.

Then there was one time in ST when MOTG and Prog were up and AM pulled MOTG first kiting trash around in the big room and you kept the kite going eventho you didn't have to anymore (I understand that you were just prepping to pull Prog next), then CSG went ahead and pulled Prog and the moment our puller entered big room your guys dropped their kite on top of our puller to get him killed and making us fail the pull. Our pullers werent frapsing, so there was no proof what had happened.

And this is just couple examples, I think I can manage to remember few more if you want.

[Phatez]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only got old examples since I don't raid much on P99 anymore, because the rules at their current state allow edge to people who are willing to cheat and break the rules so I rather play on server without any raiding rules.

But there was this CT some time ago when you could still kite trash outside of leashing range while killing CT and after CSG engaged CT and had kite under control AM members used bladestoppers and mallets etc. to overagro mobs from CSGs kite to bring them close enough to CT to get CSG raid trained. AM didn't eat punishment for it, eventho server staff agreed that you had wronged, but this rule change went in instead: "Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.". Because at that time it was common strategy that A/A did some very shady shit to get "wins" and when you got caught you only lost 1 mobs loots, since concessions must have been accepted if it was offered.

Then there was one time in ST when MOTG and Prog were up and AM pulled MOTG first kiting trash around in the big room and you kept the kite going eventho you didn't have to anymore (I understand that you were just prepping to pull Prog next), then CSG went ahead and pulled Prog and the moment our puller entered big room your guys dropped their kite on top of our puller to get him killed and making us fail the pull. Our pullers werent frapsing, so there was no proof what had happened.

And this is just couple examples, I think I can manage to remember few more if you want.

I guess this is completely off topic but I genuinely am curious about this. If someone is kiting 4+ mobs at 100% hp are you not allowed to rip those mobs off them? I was under the impression you are. If a bard is kiting all of fear is another bard allowed to bladestopper them to rip the kite and bring the mobs in for AoE? Not sure...

[Fragged]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only got old examples since I don't raid much on P99 anymore, because the rules at their current state allow edge to people who are willing to cheat and break the rules so I rather play on server without any raiding rules.

But there was this CT some time ago when you could still kite trash outside of leashing range while killing CT and after CSG engaged CT and had kite under control AM members used bladestoppers and mallets etc. to overagro mobs from CSGs kite to bring them close enough to CT to get CSG raid trained. AM didn't eat punishment for it, eventho server staff agreed that you had wronged, but this rule change went in instead: "Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.". Because at that time it was common strategy that A/A did some very shady shit to get "wins" and when you got caught you only lost 1 mobs loots, since concessions must have been accepted if it was offered.

Then there was one time in ST when MOTG and Prog were up and AM pulled MOTG first kiting trash around in the big room and you kept the kite going eventho you didn't have to anymore (I understand that you were just prepping to pull Prog next), then CSG went ahead and pulled Prog and the moment our puller entered big room your guys dropped their kite on top of our puller to get him killed and making us fail the pull. Our pullers werent frapsing, so there was no proof what had happened.

And this is just couple examples, I think I can manage to remember few more if you want.

Raato The reason I specifically asked you if you wanted us to concede the loot that day was because we had spoken with the GMs about your constant false accusations and they were ready to suspended you for crying wolf. So I was just waiting for you to say the magic words. Lucky for your guild that you didn't.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by raato [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only got old examples since I don't raid much on P99 anymore, because the rules at their current state allow edge to people who are willing to cheat and break the rules so I rather play on server without any raiding rules.

But there was this CT some time ago when you could still kite trash outside of leashing range while killing CT and after CSG engaged CT and had kite under control AM members used bladestoppers and mallets etc. to overagro mobs from CSGs kite to bring them close enough to CT to get CSG raid trained. AM didn't eat punishment for it, eventho server staff agreed that you had wronged, but this rule change went in instead: "Removed: All bits dictating what a concession must be, and all bits stating that they must be accepted.". Because at that time it was common strategy that A/A did some very shady shit to get "wins" and when you got caught you only lost 1 mobs loots, since concessions must have been accepted if it was offered.

Then there was one time in ST when MOTG and Prog were up and AM pulled MOTG first kiting trash around in the big room and you kept the kite going eventho you didn't have to anymore (I understand that you were just prepping to pull Prog next), then CSG went ahead and pulled Prog and the moment our puller entered big room your guys dropped their kite on top of our puller to get him killed and making us fail the pull. Our pullers werent frapsing, so there was no proof what had happened.

And this is just couple examples, I think I can manage to remember few more if you want.

You have any evidence of the CT encounter?

So you actualiy expected another guild to kite all the adds for you while you pulled past them?

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raato would you care to cite some specific examples of Aftermath cheating and breaking rules??

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...archid=8848660

please tell me that even you arent dumb enough to pretend you guys have never broken a rule kluwen

[Linksfather]

Originally Posted by BirryDaKir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This all seems rather cruel to us average players. Feel like I’m being stringed along with a hope of these suspensions ending. Wish they would have just said the 40 day ban was coming immediately after the 30 day ban. Not sure what the reasoning for this is, but I’m just trying to raid and have fun. Oh well, back to playing alts and killing Lodi for 40 days, then maybe 50 more days. If the GMs want is done it would be more humane to just say so.

It’s your leaderships unwilling to see past their own pride not you or your members. Your leadership doesn’t care about consequences you have to eat.

[BirryDaKir]

Originally Posted by Rivera [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lmao, or you could go outside for once...

Was meant as a joke, but fair point lol

[branamil]

At first I was thinking that if the point of suspensions is deterrent, then this suspension is kinda pointless and excessive, since the incident occurred BEFORE their last 30 day. You can't very well deter someone from doing something in the past.

I can only assume that the GMs considered this and did it anyways in light of their recent Vulak foul play and assumed they learned nothing. They must be very very very strongly hinting that awakened needs to disband and reform under different leadership without actually forcing them to.

[Legidias]

All this whining when the simple solution is to not be an ass and train people. 0 sympathy.