I invite anyone to have a regular discussion about guns, feel free to ask anything

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

19 y/o sexless males don't need guns. I want a virgin test for firearm ownership. If you've never used your penis on a consenting female you're probably an angry maladjusted fuck who shouldnt own a firearm

More importantly, I don't believe pokesan is Irish. Every Irish American I've ever met is bottom tier IQ and I have a quiet admiration for poke's terse trolling

God bless

Only a stupid democrat or immigrant would be so naive to realize parents buy their kids guns in America so that won’t help either. But it WILL give you guys the false send of self worth for “doing something” Democrat fascists that want to destroy the country YOU fled to, y’all are looking for.

I know you think you’re right I know you and every Democrat think you’re right but we’re not going to sacrifice the bill of rights for legislation that will not stop mass shootings so YOU can feel like you did something.

You’re a traitor and part of the rebel alliance.

Once again for every unconstitutional idea, there is a constitutional solution that would be just as helpful if not more helpful than these petty unconstitutional laws that you’re talking about that is so easily manipulated and won’t change a thing.

All we say over and over again is there are constitutional solutions why do you only think unconstitutional solutions will work? Because you’ve been manipulated.

[mickmoranis]

If liberals wanted to get rid of NRA funding, and we’re actually interested in maintains a free America, they wouldn’t be fighting to take one institution that they don’t agree withs ability to be involved in political donations, they’d be trying to get rid of campaign financing all together. But Hillary even rolled back Obama era limits on funding so she could get more money.

Constitutional: limit campaign funding
Unconstitutional: ban only certain organizations you disagree with from campaign funding

Political parties are cults and there trying to take over America and change it however they see fit and once they get the guns they’ll be able to do whatever they want

[mickmoranis]

Patron sorry bout the big eyes thing trying to stay lucid.

Another HUGE reason why that 19 year old stuff is a bad idea is because this:

1. One school shooter in 30 years bought their guns themselves without help from an adult
2. Very rarely do we roll back gun legislation, only once and it was thanks to wording the NRA put in the short sighted assault weapons ban.
3. So when the 19+ non virgin law (I know that but you were joking but hey here’s some
More humor for ya) turns out to not work, the left will just move onto the NEXT attack on the second amendment.
4. The strategy is to keep reducing the citizens rights to own guns until they have no right to own one at all. This is a game hard been played for decades. This isn’t a secret most lefty politicians have come out and said this, Diane Dinestine for one.

The right for a citizen to bare arms shall not be infringed. The wording is there to prevent incremental dissolving of the second amendement. It was an actual discussion they had while penning it, how to prevent society from instituting unconstitutional law this very way.

Hope this helps!

Remember for every idea to limit the second amendment that won’t do much, there is a constitutional policy that either won’t do as much or will do more. So to people who want to “do something” why do nothing while you blame others for doing nothing when there is plenty you can do that the left ignores instead to go straight for the guns?

[Irulan]

I don't feel particularly bad about guns either way. I think the fact that they are so prolific and deadly does make a difference in modern times, however.

It's not like a village of 100 with 100 guns. Over 100 mile areas. We have millions of people with millions of guns all tightly packed in small areas.

Ya. Bad stuff will happen. It's just inevitable. It will happen with more frequency. And it will happen less spread out over time.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Irulan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't feel particularly bad about guns either way. I think the fact that they are so prolific and deadly does make a difference in modern times, however.

It's not like a village of 100 with 100 guns. Over 100 mile areas. We have millions of people with millions of guns all tightly packed in small areas.

Ya. Bad stuff will happen. It's just inevitable. It will happen with more frequency. And it will happen less spread out over time.

this is the same argument to ban Muslims from flying into the country though, literally same logic.

The difference between the right and the left is, there is a bill of rights that prevents us from doing one thing for very good reasons, that doesnt prevent us from doing the other thing.

So when a lib is like, "why do this but not that!" again, it ahs to be said over and over, one is constitutionally protected and the other isnt.

I wish libs would just understand this basic reality.

To libs I say: LOOK at what you can do to things/people that aren't constitutionally protected, you can literally ban them from entering the country... so START CHANGING things that are not constitutionally protected instead of barking the SAME rhetoric for 50 years, without changing anything while shouting that hopes and prayers does nothing.

[tsuchang]

Why blame the NRA? They didn't kill anyone. I'm a member and have never killed anyone. I don't know anyone who is an NRA member that has killed anyone outside of war. Where is the evidence that the NRA killed or abetted anyone?
I have heard that the NRA issues and sells guns. Do they really?

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Charles Manson never actually killed anyone either

so are you saying anyone who supports the second amendment is tentamount to charles manson? Supporting the second amendment is conspiracy to commit murder?

This has been discussed, if you are trying to pretend that the other side is so immoral that they are literally conspiring to commit murder for simply supporting something you personally dont believe in, is the same as hitler saying the problem with germanies economy is because of all the jews.

This is the exact emotion > logic, politics that the left uses, that supports the argument that we NEED guns because even GOOD people can become tyrants.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was simply pointing out that many people consider Charles Manson a serial killer when he never actual killed anyone.

I admit I don't read many/any of your longer winded posts, and in general I agree that we should all have guns to prevent subjugation by the government and to deter home invasions... But there is a line somewhere. I am not OK with my neighbor being able to stock pile enough munitions for a small army. If you don't believe the police and military are here to protect us then attack the political system that gives us our leaders, not take up a stance that we should import and arm every American with an automatic weapon.

Playing devils advocate to a point where it no longer passes the smell test is a dangerous and slippery slop to chaos and anarchy

read the posts and youll see that the line is already there, but you just dont know it, becuse liberals dont actually investigate the truth behind what they are outraged about, they just get mad becuse the news tells them to be mad.

now, you say you are not ok with your neighbor stockpiling weapons... ok then, GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA, becuse in america it is not UP to you, or any group of YOU's.. its NOT

This isnt the untied states of Spyder, its the united states of america, and the united states of america ONLY exists if the constitution and the bill of rights remains unchanged.

You can make amendments sure, but you cannot get rid of the first 10. Sorry, wont happen. I dont care what YOURE not ok with.. IM not ok with abortion, but you dont see me telling people they cant have them, becuse its none of my buisness.

IM not ok with a lot of things, but if any of them are protected under the constituti9on, then TOUGH TITTIES...

Do you understand that THESE ARE INAIALBE RIGHTS and you cannot change them... however there are a myrad of constitutional things you CAN do, but you are too hung up on what YOU PERSONALLY want to do, and you ignore what OTHERS personally want to do.... you can feel safe, without takinga way the rights of americans.

Or you can move to another country

We are not going to turn the entire north west hemesphere the united states of canada, just becuse you read people magazine and have heard on CNN that guns are free and there are no background checks and they all shoot rapped fire.

it is your neighbors CONSTITUTIONAL right to have what THEY think is necissary to protect themselves, it is not up to you in any way shape or form.

[mickmoranis]

Alright i cant let it go, lulz here is why this argument you have is the same argument you and your dumb ass friends have had for FIFTY YEARS

becuse the situation you linked in that cartoon IS NOT POSSIBLE without breaking the law.

You see, there are already protections set up to prevent people who have mental problems from buying guns, but gues what, SOMEONE SCREWED UP...

so its not that we dont have those laws, its that people fuck up...

Did you know the parkland shooter was on a no buy list? No you dont know that cus you dont know anything about the current law. But the screwed up and he bought a gun legally.

DID YOU KNOW that the night club shooter was on a terror watch list and should not have been able to buy the guns he bought, but his father was an FBI informant and the same protections that that person had THROUGH THE FBI are how his son, was able to buy their guns.. another SCREW UP...

Your solution to screw ups is to say you want laws, that already exist.

Im sorry you are so missinformed that you THINK that anyone can walk into a gun store and walk out with a gun... but it is not the case.

SORRY BUT it is historically proven that the SMALL NUMBER of mass shootings white people are afraid of, would not be reduced by creating laws that ALREADY EXIST

Its just shocking how you people just argue argue argue and know less than zero about what you're arguing about. Not once has a common sense gun control parrot actually said anything that is TRUE in this thread. Nothing, its all CNN talkin points.

[mickmoranis]

im sorry you're so mad you cant even articulate yourself lulz but dont worry trump will upset you with something that totally distracts you next week and youll forget all about the shaking rage you feel about how guns are killing your precious white children.