Stormfeather -- Policy Incorrect?

[Rerfu]

We're at about half information half RnF, I guess it will degrade to RnF once the forum trolls get home from work.

[Kaight]

Originally Posted by Rerfu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're at about half information half RnF, I guess it will degrade to RnF once the forum trolls get home from work.

"work" haha

good one

[Maliant]

Well at least you know how Stormfeather works now.

[Rerfu]

No doubt. Its legit info.

[Toomuch]

So, I can totally agree with how you can afk at a camp if you're the Camp Holder. It's kind of like waiting in line at your favorite Big Box Store for Black Friday - you're first in line, and you get first dibbs (usually ends up being a voucher for the big deal you want, handed out right before doors open). I agree with that because you put in the time, and you were physically there. This is similar to the "...a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold..." portion of P99's Rules/Policies (see https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=2651)

What I do NOT agree with is how lists are apparently enforced.

Apparently, if you so desire, you can be in line for camps, but not be there, as long as there is a Camp Holder that is holding the camp, and has stated what the list is when someone asks. And when it's time to hand the camp off, as long as the next person in line that list makes it back by that time, they are the new campholder. And here's the REAL kicker - that new campholder can decide/declare right then and there what the new list is, no matter who is present or not. GM's will only enforce the handoff to the official "next in line" at the time of handoff.

That's like a group of 10 friends/family waiting in line for Black Friday, 9 of them leaving to go get food and sleep in warm beds for the night, and having only 1 of them come back before Deal A opens up to get vouchers, and, get this, THEN they literally get to decide who is behind them in line, in whatever order they want, so they decide that the first 9 people behind them are the other friends/family, who again are not even there, followed by all the other people that are standing there in line, in the cold. Come time for Deal B's vouchers to be handed out, this group of friends/family just needs 1 of that declared group to be there, and they can rinse/repeat.

I shit you not, this is how it works right now. I logged in to Stormfeather camp today, to have the campholder be afk. Took him 3 hours to respond, which is fine, he was present. However, he then said that the list, according to him, had 2 other people on it in front of me, who were not in zone (meaning, they did NOT adhere to the "a player should maintain a presence at or very near the spawn of the camp they are intending to hold" rule). These 2 other players did show up about 4 and 5 hours later, respectively, and are currently in front of me in line. I went from "if Stormfeather spawned right now, it's mine, because this dude is obviously asleep," to being 4th in line, all without moving. I DO agree with being moved to 2nd in line, but not bumped to 4th. Those people left the zone, left the camp, did not "maintain a presence", and therefore they got out of line, and should not be considered in line, period.

In my opinion, two things/rules need to change, and be enforced:
1. If someone on the list leaves the zone for any reason, they are no longer on the list.
2. At the point of camp hand-off, the order of the list (those present only) does not change, it remains a "line", and nobody "cuts".

Even if GM's don't choose to be the ones to enforce this, this needs to be the new player agreement. Allowing A: people to be on the list and not present, and B: the new camp holder to decide a new list when they take over camp, that is simply a recipe for monopolizing the camp and manipulating the good intentions of the server staff.

These good intentions I bring up were to try and "help the little guy" be able to get on the list in order to obtain something they couldn't get otherwise, because they have a job/obligations/etc. With the twist on the specifics, it instead it makes it so that they get completely locked out, because an inner circle can control camps indefinitely. That is just absurd, is it not?

[katrik]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This has been going on for years at AC. Whoever's camp it is can hand it off to whoever they want as long as the next person is there before respawn. If you think the list is bullshit, don't use the list, and when it is your camp give it to the next guy waiting there, or whoever you want. That's what I did at AC. Lists exist to enlist random people to help the cartel members get top priority. Don't use the list.

^this.

I think certain camps need certain rules. The amount of abuse I’ve seen @ AC is disgusting.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^this.

I think certain camps need certain rules. The amount of abuse I’ve seen @ AC is disgusting.

They actually had staff-enforced rules on live. If someone was camping X, and wouldn't give it up after they got their desired item (ie. not after they'd farmed ten copies of it over 20 hours) the GMs would intervene and force them to give the camp up to the next person on the list.

Many people aren't aware of this because of the general good etiquette of the population back then, athe lack of neckbeards monopolizing camps, and the variance between how different GMs handled things on different servers. However if you read the guidebooks written by Verant for GMs in that era stuff like that was clearly covered.

[Ciksharn]

Originally Posted by katrik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^this.

I think certain camps need certain rules. The amount of abuse I’ve seen @ AC is disgusting.

I've watched people corpse 5+ rings in one session. You can swim offshore of the island and see a pile of naked bodies just under the waterline

[Foxplay]

Originally Posted by Ciksharn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've watched people corpse 5+ rings in one session. You can swim offshore of the island and see a pile of naked bodies just under the waterline

This would be because people rely on the honor system too much and never physically check in on the camp to the person holding it

[fastboy21]

The handing off the camp off rule has always seemed like a scammers holiday to me.

So many ways that someone could abuse this policy if they wanted to be dishonest.