Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps

[Ennoia]

Also, for the record, keeping 'lists' for camps is for tools. If someone I know wants a camp when I'm done, I'll give them a time frame of when I'm planning to take off, and then when they get there, do as I said above for a bit, then leave. With the way this server is ran with raid mobs constantly being in competition the entire concept of handing over a camp to someone you don't know is basically giving ammo to the enemy.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On raid mobs I think they should have a whoever does the most DPS gets the loot, regardless of stupid "who engaged first" bullshit.

Remove the right to petition over these matters, GMs ban people who don't follow that rule.

Would solve a lot of bullshit in my opinion. That is more 'fun' competition than anything else.

Guilds locking down a camp is lame from the outside and awesome when its your guild doing it (until you've done several shifts then it gets lame)

Basically, that camp will be there for another 6months, come back another time is the best I can tell you. I've been after a few different camps for awhile and the same people are always camping them, meh :/.

this is so not gonna work =)

Lets take any complex encounter with adds (yeah beyond the classic tank and spank).
So guild A starts the raid, and starts doing it in accordance with a proper strategy, of moving the raid target here, moving adds there etc.
The guild B shows up, while guild A is busy taking care of adds, they storm in, burn down the boss, loot, and gate out, while guild A is STILL working on the adds =)


Official rules on LIVE were btw, that if anyone shows up at your camp you were OBLIGATED to SHARE. Otherwise, Gm would appear and make you share, or kick you out. =)
Of course we don't have nowhere near paid GMs here to enforce this policy

[Dfn]

Down with competition!

[JayDee]

That's why everquest just doesn't fit into a normal productive persons schedule. Unless you're a haggling trader, you have to invest a lot of time and find the right guild who farms the right spots and sacrifice RL responsibilities at time to attain the shit you want.

That's the general gist of things. Either deal with it or find a casual friendly game like Rift where you can log in at your leisure.

Words of wisdom from your friend, Jaydee.

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's why everquest just doesn't fit into a normal productive persons schedule. Unless you're a haggling trader, you have to invest a lot of time and find the right guild who farms the right spots and sacrifice RL responsibilities at time to attain the shit you want.

That's the general gist of things. Either deal with it or find a casual friendly game like Rift where you can log in at your leisure.

Words of wisdom from your friend, Jaydee.

There are elements of truth in what you say. However, your advice amounts to, "this sucks so just accept it". I don't buy that. Sure we can't change everything we don't like in this world, we can't even change MANY things that exist. However, that does not mean that some changes aren't worth the attempt. Things can be done to ease or ameliorate most problems. This particular issue is worth some attention.

[Shiftin]

If you knew what kind of coordination, persistence and intense time dedication it took to secure and hold something like the jade prod camp, there's no chance you could objectively say that anyone should be able to just walk up and get in line.

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you knew what kind of coordination, persistence and intense time dedication it took to secure and hold something like the jade prod camp, there's no chance you could objectively say that anyone should be able to just walk up and get in line.

I must confess, the logic of your statement escapes me. You seem to be saying that if something is difficult to do, it justifies the result? That makes no sense to me.

[Rejuvenation]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I must confess, the logic of your statement escapes me. You seem to be saying that if something is difficult to do, it justifies the result? That makes no sense to me.

I think what he is saying is that the people put in effort and are more deserving for the items than you give credit.

Every guild participating in this has had to deal with other guilds doing the same. There isn't a single camp now that hasn't changed hands at least once, and they did what was necessary to reserve the camp next.

This is just one of those advantages of being in a large guild.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I must confess, the logic of your statement escapes me. You seem to be saying that if something is difficult to do, it justifies the result? That makes no sense to me.

No, i'm saying that if someone put in the effort to coordinate something, then they deserve the rewards. I had been awake 26 hours when i got my jade prod and i wasn't even close to the worst situation on that camp. Lots of people sacrificed lots of other great opportunities to watch over the camp to ensure it was secured as a guild because having it benefitted us directly as an entity. I'm quite sure the same applies to lots of other folks at other camps they prioritized.

[Nagash]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you knew what kind of coordination, persistence and intense time dedication it took to secure and hold something like the jade prod camp, there's no chance you could objectively say that anyone should be able to just walk up and get in line.

If you knew what kind of coordination, persistence and intense time dedication it took the Nazi regime to try to exterminate millions of people... You see where I'm getting at, your statement holds no ground whatsoever.

Nagash/Petitpas