Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..So tales goes like this. There was this gold mine which was a communal property. And every miner could go into the mine, work for an hour, and carry out whatever amount of gold he managed to obtain.
Then some group of miners decided that they will block the entrance to the mine, so they and only they can get any gold, and rest can just go to hell...

Sorry, didn't realize everything in EQ was 'communal property'.

I'm here for my Cloak of Flames handout, please!

[Nagash]

For the moment, I can't add more than what I said as I seriously doubt this post is going anywhere. Everyone seems to firmly sit on one side of the fence trying to push it as much as they can to get the biggest possible share of the field and refusing to acknowledge other's point of view, even less understand it.
So on this note, Yendor can I ask you what's the name of the charming brunette in your signature? Got me drooling everytime you post. I sure wouldn't be interested in confirming the part of your sig quote about rangers but can't say the same about the part involving her :P

Nagash/Petitpas

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, didn't realize everything in EQ was 'communal property'.

I'm here for my Cloak of Flames handout, please!

put a little more thought into it, before you draw such conclusions...
The LOOT is a private property. The CAMPS are communal property.
A right to a camp doesn't equal free handouts.
You still have to camp - put in your own effort into it to get it, but this doesn't mean you can sit here for days, getting 2nd drop, 3rd drop, 76th drop, until you, your friends, your guild, all their alts, and your dog got 3 each, and then another dozen to sell for cash.

An argument- "I will get my loot FIRST, and they will get their EVENTUALLY, WHEN I AM DONE" - is what I call GREED.

[Shiftin]

Well said yendor. Lol at some of the leaps in logic in this thread.

[Mcbard]

This thread was started by a communist and is full of pinkos.

Reported all of you sympathizers to the F.B.I. goodluck!

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey;

No more greedy than showing up and saying 'okay GTFO, my turn to have these loots!!!!"

We all had the same opportunity to obtain and hold the camp. We all made different choices about how to pursue those opportunities on Kunark launch night. If your ass was not heading directly for whatever camp you're talking about wanting now the second Kunark launched, with whatever friends you needed to hold the camp as long as it took to make sure they all got hooked up, then you had other priorities that night and you need to accept the opportunity costs of the choices you made, just like the rest of us have to.

yeah guided by information you not suppose to even have, since in 99 no one knew what was going to drop, much less where.
You should consider playing on a PvP99 when it comes out- that's where "the might is right" argument goes without questioning.

Originally Posted by Mcbard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread was started by a communist and is full of pinkos.

Reported all of you sympathizers to the F.B.I. goodluck!

someone needs to take a Political Science 101... otherwise I can just easily call you a fascist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah guided by information you not suppose to even have, since in 99 no one knew what was going to drop, much less where.

Irrelevant. Again, we all had equal opportunity to research the 11-year-old info, and equal opportunity to plan and execute accordingly on launch night. That is where the equality ended, and the actual 'ability to implement the plan' came into play.

There's nothing about might-makes-right about it. If you want the camp you could go sit there and wait for whoever is there to F up and leave the camp unattended. You choose not to. You could camp out your character at the camp with some friends when you hear the server is going down to attempt to beat others to claiming the camp upon logging in. You choose not to. Hell, you could app to one of the guilds holding down the camp, help them out, and be the recipient of the loot when it drops, and then promptly gate and de-guild. Again, you choose not to.

Instead, in lieu of actually putting in the aforementioned effort to get the things you want, you'd rather just stroll up and decide it's your turn to have it. Now who's seemingly greedy?

It's all dependent on your own perspective I suppose.

[Rais]

If anything I would he happy with the 20 mins to reclaim camp rule gone. Servers coming down or anything like that was just like eq live. There was never any rule set to reclaim a camp.

I didn't even know about this rule till kunark. I despise holding a camp that isn't for exp.da idol? Hated it. Thex mallet quest? Hated it. Cos/locket? Hated it.

It gods/dragons are fair game after a server patch or crash,so should camps. If you can't log in faster than the other guy running for whateve camp,though shit. I've had camps lost because of this,and no knowing this 20min rule. If I'm gone from camp it should be treated as a open door mob and who ever gets ,wins.

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Irrelevant. Again, we all had equal opportunity to research the 11-year-old info, and equal opportunity to plan and execute accordingly on launch night. That is where the equality ended, and the actual 'ability to implement the plan' came into play.

There's nothing about might-makes-right about it. If you want the camp you could go sit there and wait for whoever is there to F up and leave the camp unattended. You choose not to. You could camp out your character at the camp with some friends when you hear the server is going down to attempt to beat others to claiming the camp upon logging in. You choose not to. Hell, you could app to one of the guilds holding down the camp, help them out, and be the recipient of the loot when it drops, and then promptly gate and de-guild. Again, you choose not to.

Instead, in lieu of actually putting in the aforementioned effort to get the things you want, you'd rather just stroll up and decide it's your turn to have it. Now who's seemingly greedy?

It's all dependent on your own perspective I suppose.

Just because one can do somethng, doesn't mean one should.

There is indeed an element of might makes right here. When a group of people band together into a force strong enough and sustained enough to effectively deny other individuals or groups the opportunity to access a resource, I'd call it might makes right.

You give several examples of how "denied" individuals might work around the restrictions imposed by the "mighty". These are good ideas, but they don't have bearing on the argument of whether or not the "lock down" behaviors we are discussing are reasonable.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because one can do somethng, doesn't mean one should.

There is indeed an element of might makes right here. When a group of people band together into a force strong enough and sustained enough to effectively deny other individuals or groups the opportunity to access a resource, I'd call it might makes right.

You give several examples of how "denied" individuals might work around the restrictions imposed by the "mighty". These are good ideas, but they don't have bearing on the argument of whether or not the "lock down" behaviors we are discussing are reasonable.

As I said before, two completely different games are being played here. The casual gamers don't have the drive or time that the power gamers do, so they cannot compete on the same level. All they can do is try to twist the rules in their favor. The power gamers believe that loot is distributed according to drive/time, so they play towards that end, competing with other like-minded players, meanwhile the casuals are caught in the crossfire.

One style of play is not more right than the other.

All it takes is one or two people to catch a guild with their pants down, leaving a camp unattended. That has nothing to do with might, and everything to do with persistence.