Server accuracy

[Decad]

Zing was bread and butter to melee on live but not here

[Iandyan]

The one thing that still irks me is the languages on P99. On live it took awhile to learn other races languages to the point that there were often groups in WC that were solely dedicated to getting language skill ups.

[Kaino]

you couldnt swim or jump either, meaning when u were low on stamina u were gonna have a bad time

[Lulz~Sect]

dude how i wish stamina would work
stupid shit like that makes the game great
actual consequences for mismanaging of all resources

[Murri]

Bard charm also basically transfers some agro to the bard so swarm kiting isn't possible and it requires normal charm kiting to be swapped back and forth between mobs.

[jolanar]

In a lot of ways in not accurate at all. Some of those ways are due to very complicated things, like having to make educated guesses to client side formulas etc. Others are inaccurate out of no other reason than laziness when things are very easy to identify from the live client (faction values as one example, as those are horribly wrong on P99). But seriously I spent about 5 minutes playing P2002 and it very quickly made me realize the quality of work that's been done on P99 even if it isn't perfect.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is because there is no proxy aggro bonus on this server from my experience.

Mobs tended to be sticky. The closer you are to them, specifically in Melee range vs out of Melee range, the more Hate they should have.

This is easily testable on Live and explains why swarm kiting works and worked back in classic. When your pet was in Melee range of the pack and you were far away, the proxy aggro +Hate bonus your pet gets from being in Melee range will trump the body aggro you got.

Belly casters should also generate 0 aggro on spells cast outside of their belly range unless you are using unresistable spells that will land.

Not sure why I thought of this now, but have the hate list mechanics been tested on P99 to verify accuracy?

Dumping a mallet into a mob with 100% HP should almost generate no hate (I believe full spell agro only factored in when mob was in summoning mode).

Also, hate should decay. If you have established 20,000 points of hate on a hate list, you shouldn't be able to turn auto-attack off and wait for someone to get to 20,001 points. High level mobs should have hate decay more rapidly than lower level mobs. I don't know the exact formula for this, and not sure if anyone really does, but hate decay was a confirmed feature from Brad.

Finally, if you are on a mob's hate list, but add no additional hate, you should drop off the hate list completely after like 5 minutes.

I never went through and tested, figured someone of your background would know.

[Rygar]

Has the Hate decay feature been tested on p99 then?

Also not sure i follow about the mallet, i understand what it should generate if the mob was in summoning mode, but if you are saying a mallet dump into a mob with 100% hp gives 2000 hate then that is wrong.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dumping a mallet into a mob with 100% HP should almost generate no hate (I believe full spell agro only factored in when mob was in summoning mode).

Also, hate should decay. If you have established 20,000 points of hate on a hate list, you shouldn't be able to turn auto-attack off and wait for someone to get to 20,001 points. High level mobs should have hate decay more rapidly than lower level mobs. I don't know the exact formula for this, and not sure if anyone really does, but hate decay was a confirmed feature from Brad.

Finally, if you are on a mob's hate list, but add no additional hate, you should drop off the hate list completely after like 5 minutes.

I never went through and tested, figured someone of your background would know.

Looks like Rygar is on his Midnight Mallet nerf crusade again with basically zero evidence which is par for the course for this guys 'Classic Done My Way Crusade'

Never in my life heard about mobs 'needing to be in summon' mode to generate aggro, please stop pulling shit out of your ass.

[Rygar]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looks like Rygar is on his Midnight Mallet nerf crusade again with basically zero evidence which is par for the course for this guys 'Classic Done My Way Crusade'

Never in my life heard about mobs 'needing to be in summon' mode to generate aggro, please stop pulling shit out of your ass.

I am paraphrasing from a conversation between Brad and the guild leader of Conquest. It was a comical conversation that Verant made public to 'gain support' for banning Conquest after some Sleeper's Tomb exploits, but it really showed that they made a bunch of bad assumptions that were impossible based on how the game was designed.

Essentially, they claimed the warrior stood under some bridge for 20 minutes in Sleeper's Tomb and built up 'huge amounts of hate' without being damaged and then sent his raid force in to engage the mob, keeping all the mob attention on him due to the high amount of hate he built up.

Conquest basically stated what I said and that it was impossible to build hate up due to those 3 hate list features and, guess what, Brad conceded on that front.

I find it interesting that he was unaware of Midnight Mallets at all, but instead referenced bio orbs or healing items (assuming prayers or something) would have been needed to try generate the agro Brad was referring to, but it would fail anyways.

Even said something along the lines of 'please tell me of an item that can instantly generate so much hate, us tanks would love to have one'.

But nonetheless, you just want to keep your status quo and really don't care for how things should be, just what you have been accustomed to doing. I have not made a bug report yet on these features because I wanted to test them on P99 and find other corroborating evidence, but am a bit too busy to focus on that at the moment due to RL circumstances. But if it makes you feel more comfortable I'm purely talking out of my ass, then go for it.