How many raid suspensions in a row before your guild is disbanded?

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Fragged [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the same gawd damn people you idiots.

The overlap I'm sure is fairly deep, but there's a handful of neckbeard on P99 that would never TLP because not classic, Luclin too good, or don't want to spend $15/month. There's also a handful of neckbeards on TLPs that would never P99 because not legit EQ.

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah bruh. Just speaking truth. TLP players would get crushed on P99 cause they don't have the P99 hate/pull mechanics figured out and 98% of them don't want to facetrack for 16 hours for a dragon. P99 players would get crushed by semi-complicated events you can't just slow-corner-tank.

some of us p99 players played live and completed such events that required multitanking such as the rathe council. for that we actually used 12ish tanks. i wouldn't underestimate a veteran p99 player.

[mefdinkins]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have disdain for P99 players. The server/content leads to long time P99ers having certain strengths and certain weaknesses. I'm just speaking to what those are.

I don't even know what you're saying, lol.

Long term MMO players aren't as good at no scoping people on FPS games. Longterm WOW players aren't as good at EQ. Longterm League of Legends players aren't as good at DOTA. Longterm candycrush players aren't as good at angrybirds.

The top tier P99 players have completed all challenges they've been faced with in a competitive environment, I'm sure they can do so in other games (or other iterations of Everquest) too if they put in the same commitment/energy.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Calm down

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[Check12345]

Originally Posted by mefdinkins [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The top tier P99 players have completed all challenges they've been faced with in a competitive environment, I'm sure they can do so in other games (or other iterations of Everquest) too if they put in the same commitment/energy.

Yeah I am trying to replay luclin and pop in my mind from when they were current and while we all had to figure it out with or without internet help circa 2002... I just don't see where any good player on p99 couldn't grasp what team role they had to play for... say... the emperor ssraeshza or cursed event, the rallos zek the warlord bottleneck, elemental plains god scripts/event kills, or anything in potime.

Team players gonna team play and win, simple as that. While I went to time with my one expansion behind guild on live, the same server had open raids on sundays where everyone got elemental flagged.

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

Originally Posted by Check12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I am trying to replay luclin and pop in my mind from when they were current and while we all had to figure it out with or without internet help circa 2002... I just don't see where any good player on p99 couldn't grasp what team role they had to play for... say... the emperor ssraeshza or cursed event, the rallos zek the warlord bottleneck, elemental plains god scripts/event kills, or anything in potime.

Team players gonna team play and win, simple as that. While I went to time with my one expansion behind guild on live, the same server had open raids on sundays where everyone got elemental flagged.

if youre talking about rallos zek in tactics i just remember druids charming and deeps on RZ. cant you just kite the adds? i don't remember this fight ever being difficult for our guild.

[Fasttimes]

You can kite the adds . Charming with echanters does most of the dps

[TimTheToolmanTaylor]

if anything was "difficult" it was coirnav. being underwater and kiting all those adds is painful because being underwater in everquest is not fun at all. i do appreciate the idea and it was exciting but yeah not fun.

[Skew]

Originally Posted by TimTheToolmanTaylor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if anything was "difficult" it was coirnav. being underwater and kiting all those adds is painful because being underwater in everquest is not fun at all. i do appreciate the idea and it was exciting but yeah not fun.

tbf , being underwater in eq mirrors rl experience of being underwater. its a thoroughly shit place to be , even if youre an experienced diver you move around like youve got a weeks worth of poop in ur choot. theres a very good reason we have mapped the moon but not the ocean floor.

[Daldaen]

All 4 of the Elemental gods were good fights. Testing different aspects of your raid.

Fennin was a bit too trash-cleary but the end fight was a good test of positioning and tank healing. Failure to position properly or even having one tank die usually spelled disaster because the AE Rampage was so devastating.

Xegony was just a test to see if your guild could pick up spawned adds regularly while offtanking the boss.

Coirnav was a nice burn style fight with AE potential if you do it correctly. 15-min hardtimer is great because it can't drag on and on.

Rathe was the ultimate coordination fight in the era. Figure out teams to mez lock 6 councilmen and atleast 5 teams to offtank the fully flecked councilmen before coordinating all of their deaths in 7 minutes. Needing to have 3-4 Enchanters or Bards mez locking, 5 tanks, 5 Clerics, 5 backup healers and some roaming shamans/Enchanters to debuff, all while the DPS groups needed healers to counteract the AEs and you had to keep moving and spreading out to prevent AE overlaps.

Rallos generally wrecked guilds due to his Melee potential and poor connection/client made kiting all of the adds difficult. On TLPs though due to retarded DPS gains Rallos is half dead before adds start spawning. Was much harder in era, especially if you didn't charm several Diaku with your Enchanters. Druids can only charm shitter boars from the tunnels which do like 25% the DPS of Diaku.

Honestly the first really difficult fight mechanically probably comes with Brekt in Uqua but with enough DPS you can avoid several of the event mechanics. Beyond that... Vishimtar is difficult because it mixes death adds that punish zerging, DT emotes that punish stupidity, and various styles of adds (egg drakeling spawns, snareable kite Drakes, low HP Phoenix rape dervishes). But 34 guilds did defeat Vishimtar in era.

In era, Sendaii was another difficult fight. Generally considered the gatekeeper to Demiplane. It was just a long fight with a lot of offtanking required. Redfang was the T1 gatekeeper in Demiplane, mostly because it requires you have a few knights with blockers turned in to kite the 4 big bat adds, and because the 20-25 batling swarms were difficult to deal with until Vinelash was in unless you had good Druids. Performer was the T2 gatekeeper in Demiplane because emotes with 18 different responses were difficult for stupid people to figure out. Mayong in Demiplane also quite good due to how complex the fight is with banes for each class that can be used different ways in the fight plus needing to deal with up to 6-7 mini bosses simultaneously, on top of the bat waves and random zombie adds. Only 6 guilds defeated Mayong in era.