Bring back the Seafurys

[Nisei]

I did 49-55 on my Mage after the nerf. I loved it.

[Synthlol]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yup, how does supply and demand work in your mind?

When price falls, the quantity demanded increases.

Originally Posted by Dreenk317

In a true supply and demand economy, as the supply of something increases, the demand for it would go down, so the price would go down.

Making this statement means you have no idea what you're talking about. To be correct, it would need to be revised to state "as the supply of something increases, ceteris paribus, the equilibrium price decreases, so the quantity demanded goes up.".

Shifts in the supply curve directly affect price, not demand. The quantity demanded then reacts to the change in price the same way a 6 year old would intuitively expect it to.

An illustrated example with an explanation can be found here. It is Economics 101. The top left example at the 2 minute mark is the one you need to pay attention too.

If you need any more help than this you'll have to pay my consulting fee.

[Endymion]

Still no idea why you would take the gem drops away...for a lot of players it was a nice way to earn some plat...not get ridiculously rich but just earn some plat

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Endymion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still no idea why you would take the gem drops away...for a lot of players it was a nice way to earn some plat...not get ridiculously rich but just earn some plat

Aside from the fact that the drop rate was not classic (reason enough to nerf it) seafury island was pumping significant amounts of cash into the economy contributing to inflation.

I've been to the island since the nerf and it's much nicer. Few if any people there and the gem drops (cash) are still very good compared to plat potential at comparable level hunting grounds. Since it's no longer an absolute plat fest, the island isn't occupied 24/7 by level 60s hogging all the spawns.

It was a good change.

[prc018100]

I've always been frustrated with "nerfs" as they give advantage to players that utilized the benefit prior to the nerf. I camped seafuries a lot and never felt it was ridiculously overcamped before the nerf. At most, I saw 5-6 players camping various spawn locations on the island.

As for the argument that it wasn't in-line with "classic" drop rates. I haven't done any research but I find it hard to believe anyone would be able to prove that. I definitely remember tons of gem drops on live.

Also, proof of non-classic clearly doesn't matter in other instances. Take, for example, the Magician epic bottleneck (earth staff in hate). This is an economic heavy-weight as it sells for ~1M plat. This item has been changed to have a non-classic respawn rate without any reason that I've seen from the staff. In addition, from my experience, albeit anecdotal evidence, the drop rate for the staff was way higher on live. When I got my earth staff, it had actually dropped twice from Magi P'Tasi in the same hate raid. I farmed it a lot with my guild on live and continued to see it drop atleast 1-2 times a week. The rate here I hear is like 1-2 times a month at best.

Before reading this thread, I was certain the changes on Seafuries and the Mage staff drop were intended to slow the economy and reduce the # of rarer epics, but now I think you guys might be on to something with the reduction of guide work. I know the earth staff also created a burden for guides as it was highly contested

[ErlickBachman]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When I checked shortly after the nerf classic correction the gems were dropping in something like 1/4th - 1/5th of the amounts they used to.

Does anyone have any evidence that this is a "classic correction?" Because I recall Seafuries didn't get this adjustment until Luclin/Pop era. Grant it, I could be completely wrong on that timeline because I didn't really hunt Seafuries for plat in Velious era on live.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Synthlol [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When price falls, the quantity demanded increases.



Making this statement means you have no idea what you're talking about. To be correct, it would need to be revised to state "as the supply of something increases, ceteris paribus, the equilibrium price decreases, so the quantity demanded goes up.".

Shifts in the supply curve directly affect price, not demand. The quantity demanded then reacts to the change in price the same way a 6 year old would intuitively expect it to.

An illustrated example with an explanation can be found here. It is Economics 101. The top left example at the 2 minute mark is the one you need to pay attention too.

If you need any more help than this you'll have to pay my consulting fee.

FYI, this guy is correct. Dreenk317, you're an idiot.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since it's no longer an absolute plat fest, the island isn't occupied 24/7 by level 60s hogging all the spawns. It was a good change.

I remember ages ago as my druid neared 50-51 I was told about the awesome loots dropped by the SFs, so I headed there to check it out.

I seen 2 necros that had a large swath of area totally dominated, both were red to me so I assumed they were probably 60s, and then I seen a 60 shaman who sat his big fat bear ass in a spot where he could turn and root rot SFs with his epic as soon as they popped, effectively holding down 3-5 spawn spots. Then I noticed myself, and a few other lower levels running around hoping to find a wandering SF to kill, it was just retarded.

I stayed for a long while, just thinking maybe the necros or that shaman would leave. After a few hours they never left but I did.

I decided to try it again, a few days later and lo and behold the same shaman was perched in the same spot as before. I determined some people probably lived on SF island and simply never left. I didn't even bother trying, it was't worth the time invested when so many higher lvls camped the island for loots.

Classic? I suppose. Retarded? Most definitely.

I never wasted my time going to SF island ever again.

[Ortnit]

Since the nerf to seafurys prices seem to of gone down a lot, nothing seems to be worth much anymore. Only thing that seems to of gone up is fungi for some reason?

TRIGGERED!

[Lojik]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=89449

shit like this is probably why it was nerfed, petition nightmare galore