Activists Hold Funeral For Frozen Chicken In Store

[Lojik]

The thing is that logic, reason, and numbers don't convince people, even intelligent people. It's just the same dumb shit that does convince people: what are my friends doing, what are other people my age/race/gender/nationality doing, what does soandso authority figure who i like think of said subject, how can i rationalize my past behavior or reconcile it with my other beliefs, etc. When you approach people directly with an opposing viewpoint and valid reasons you're going to get rebuffed. It's all about going about it in an indirect way and making the other person(s) feel like they figured it out on their own.

Meatatarian society (which I am guilty in participating in) will probably die off at some point since it's just not sustainable, the only question is how bad will the effects be on the environment before anything meaninful changes.

Also nutritional science is very young in relation to how old human society is, and what is considered good nutrition v. bad nutrition changes depending on the source. In 100 years when we have a lot more data to work with on long term health effects and nutritional sources I think we'll get a better view of what, exactly, would be an ideal human diet. Maybe in like 10-20 years google can start collecting data on exact environmental conditions for people as they develop, and better measurements on what foods are being consumed to allow better regressional type analysis.

[Lulz~Sect]

Haven't we been milking cows for millenias though?

[Pokesan]

a seat on the tallest horse in the world isn't worth not eating meat. you just gotta accept you're a garbage person(morally) and be ok with it.

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[hyejin]

body odor improves significantly with the cessation of flesh consumption. it becomes a rather intoxicating thing with intakes, rest and exercise properly managed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did you know that most people have never smelled a person who keeps theirselfs clean?

[Lulz~Sect]

The problem is I enjoy eating meat and dairy products on a higher frequency then just lentils, grains, and salad alone.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lulz~Sect [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is I enjoy eating meat and dairy products on a higher frequency then just lentils, grains, and salad alone.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That said, I'd like to take this opportunity to ask you all a quick question. I don't personally involve myself in these supermarket funerals because I'm not sure about the efficacy of these sort of demonstrations. I see a couple "lol's" and "wtf's" and frankly that's sort of what I expect. But I wonder, what sort of demonstration do you believe would be helpful in getting you to abandon the comfort of your cognitive dissonance to start making better choices based on facts and logic, rather than defaulting to the social programming with which you've been raised?

Doing things like super market funerals make the group look like extremists and radicals (which most people shy away from). The truth of the matter is less than 1% of the population thinks the way you do. As a meat eater the most effective thing I have seen is showing the cruelty and brutality that happens in slaughter houses.

I personally do not feel animals have any rights. Animals are here to serve humans and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt animals for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my dogs? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a dog or chicken. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most vegans/veggies that have given me their spiel on why eating meat is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me. Hunting has been the most viable way for humans to survive for thousands of years. Although we are approaching a time and place where 100% of people not eating meat might theoretically be possible, it is very short sighted of you to say its wrong when the human species literally would not be here if our ancestors were not hunters. Higher cognitive development isn't even possible from an evolutionary stand point without all the protein meat contains. Only reason you are able to think for yourself is likely because your great great great great great grand paw killed Babmi to feed his family.

If you find it necessary to mettle in other peoples lives and press your agenda onto others I would recommend showing footage of slaughter houses... it's a pretty good way to make people think twice about what they are eating.

I am just not convinced removing meat from the menu solves anymore problems than it would create.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing things like super market funerals make the group look like extremists and radicals (which most people shy away from). The truth of the matter is less than 1% of the population thinks the way you do. As a meat eater the most effective thing I have seen is showing the cruelty and brutality that happens in slaughter houses.

I personally do not feel animals have any rights. Animals are here to serve humans and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt animals for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my dogs? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a dog or chicken. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most vegans/veggies that have given me their spiel on why eating meat is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me. Hunting has been the most viable way for humans to survive for thousands of years. Although we are approaching a time and place where 100% of people not eating meat might theoretically be possible, it is very short sighted of you to say its wrong when the human species literally would not be here if our ancestors were not hunters. Higher cognitive development isn't even possible from an evolutionary stand point without all the protein meat contains. Only reason you are able to think for yourself is likely because your great great great great great grand paw killed Babmi to feed his family.

If you find it necessary to mettle in other peoples lives and press your agenda onto others I would recommend showing footage of slaughter houses... it's a pretty good way to make people think twice about what they are eating.

I am just not convinced removing meat from the menu solves anymore problems than it would create.

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[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally do not feel negroes have any rights. Negroes are here to serve whites and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt negroes for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my negroes? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a negro. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most abolitionists that have given me their spiel on why owning slaves is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me.

Gee, that was easy.

Seriously though, I know you don't kill animals yourself. No one could handle that, so they pay other people to hurt animals for them. I do not fault you for this cowardice, for it means there is still hope for your redemption. <3

And arguments that rely upon the behavior of pre-historic man are kind of silly, I'm sure everyone'd agree. It is no longer necessary to eat meat. There are other, sustainable, less cruel alternatives for protein-dense foods. Do you model cavemen behavior in other aspects of your day-to-day life? Do you adopt their ethics anywhere else? Are you only eating meat for fear your tribe will reject you? No. Of course not. That would be a regression to our most violent, primal beginnings. That would lower us to the level of animals, which are of course not valuable in any way but as a commodity, right?

I leave you with a quote from Tolstoy, one which counters the caveman argument pretty well, in my opinion: "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields."

Thanks friends. Be good to each other.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Spyder73 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Doing things like super market funerals make the group look like extremists and radicals (which most people shy away from). The truth of the matter is less than 1% of the population thinks the way you do. As a meat eater the most effective thing I have seen is showing the cruelty and brutality that happens in slaughter houses.

I personally do not feel animals have any rights. Animals are here to serve humans and that may sound harsh but I am entitled to my beliefs just as you are entitled to yours. Do I kill or hurt animals for no reason? No. Do I beat or fight my dogs? No, because I am not a psychopath who likes to see things get hurt, but I also find it crazy that someone can go to jail for abusing a dog or chicken. They are not the same as us and I don't think that is even debatable.

Most vegans/veggies that have given me their spiel on why eating meat is wrong just come off as sounding pretentious and spoiled to me. Hunting has been the most viable way for humans to survive for thousands of years. Although we are approaching a time and place where 100% of people not eating meat might theoretically be possible, it is very short sighted of you to say its wrong when the human species literally would not be here if our ancestors were not hunters. Higher cognitive development isn't even possible from an evolutionary stand point without all the protein meat contains. Only reason you are able to think for yourself is likely because your great great great great great grand paw killed Babmi to feed his family.

If you find it necessary to mettle in other peoples lives and press your agenda onto others I would recommend showing footage of slaughter houses... it's a pretty good way to make people think twice about what they are eating.

I am just not convinced removing meat from the menu solves anymore problems than it would create.

Anyone who hurts a dog, woman, or child shouldn't go to jail, they should be executed