Activists Hold Funeral For Frozen Chicken In Store

[Cecily]

I'm sensing a slight bias in your opinion on the subject. Have you considered chickens are delicious?

Again, I'm greatly enjoying your prose. You raise a wonderful, emotionally charged argument. "Well if you don't mind dying early or love your family..." Fantastic subtext. It strikes a me little dirty though and I do try to not get life advice from former meth heads so I can't count you as a reliable source of information.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Darkatar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, we should default to -your- social programming. Uh-huh.

Well, only if you care about your personal health, the health of the planet, and the well-being of all sentient creatures. Then yeah, you should absolutely accept my programming.

Seriously man, examine carefully the sentence you quoted. It's almost as if your precious dissonance is so profound it has actually impacted your ability to read. Are you arguing against making decisions informed by facts and logic? Do you have fact-based reasons why one should eat animal parts and secretions? Are you aware of the health effects of meat consumption? The environmental catastrophe that is animal farming? Have you bothered to educate yourself? Do you believe there is an ethical way to kill someone who does not wish to die? Have you ever even given any of this any thought, or have you simply accepted the circumstances of your cultural upbringing? Would you eat a dog? Why or why not?

[waltjig]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, only if you care about your personal health, the health of the planet, and the well-being of all sentient creatures. Then yeah, you should absolutely accept my programming.

Seriously man, examine carefully the sentence you quoted. It's almost as if your precious dissonance is so profound it has actually impacted your ability to read. Are you arguing against making decisions informed by facts and logic? Do you have fact-based reasons why one should eat animal parts and secretions? Are you aware of the health effects of meat consumption? The environmental catastrophe that is animal farming? Have you bothered to educate yourself? Do you believe there is an ethical way to kill someone who does not wish to die? Have you ever even given any of this any thought, or have you simply accepted the circumstances of your cultural upbringing? Would you eat a dog? Why or why not?

I remember when I first saw What the Health on Netflix. I stopped eating meat for like one whole week

[Raev]

Are you arguing against making decisions informed by facts and logic

If you have actually posted any facts and logic in this thread, they are buried under an avalanche of pompous status signaling prose. If you do have real facts, then by all means post them.

Hint: you need an actual randomized controlled study, not a 'we sent out a bunch of questionnaires and ran regression analysis'.

[Patriam1066]

"I used to smoke meth"

"Listen to my health advice"

Barkingturtle you're a smart guy please tell me that admission was just a humorous exaggeration of the deleterious effects you believe meat has on the human body. Really hope I missed the subtlety and nuance

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"I used to smoke meth"

"Listen to my health advice"

Barkingturtle you're a smart guy please tell me that admission was just a humorous exaggeration of the deleterious effects you believe meat has on the human body. Really hope I missed the subtlety and nuance

Well let's be honest here, he was probably just being honest about himself. I don't fault people for sharing with others their past plights etc. Don't fault him for showing he is human and not perfect but striving to improve himself as evidenced by where he was in life to where he is in life now.

[Evia]

I've been vegetarian for 12 years. Off and on vegan...but that's the ultimate goal.

The first couple of years I sounded alot like barkingturtle. Online, at school, at work, I was constantly talking about it. Because it was so insane to me that we as a culture slaughtered helpless animals to eat their flesh and nobody batted an eye about it. In fact, I was the "weird" one because I questioned the practice. Fast forward though and now I actively avoid talking to anyone about any of my beliefs. At the end of the day it gets exhausting and frustrating arguing or debating with things their not interested in realistically spending some critical thinking on. I gave up trying to educate people and just accepted that some people see what I see and some don't.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been vegetarian for 12 years. Off and on vegan...but that's the ultimate goal.

The first couple of years I sounded alot like barkingturtle. Online, at school, at work, I was constantly talking about it. Because it was so insane to me that we as a culture slaughtered helpless animals to eat their flesh and nobody batted an eye about it. In fact, I was the "weird" one because I questioned the practice. Fast forward though and now I actively avoid talking to anyone about any of my beliefs. At the end of the day it gets exhausting and frustrating arguing or debating with things their not interested in realistically spending some critical thinking on. I gave up trying to educate people and just accepted that some people see what I see and some don't.

That's me when it comes to all the controversial topics people get into discussing.

Its great to see idealistic people like Barkingturtle, and perhaps they do touch others with their idealism but for me it's just far too draining trying to convert others to believe what I believe.

I rather focus my energies into things I have more control over, and spend my time discussing not debating with people topics like religion, politics, etc.

I also don't think to myself that only I hold the light. I have to accept the fact that my perspective isn't the only perspective that is correct, it's just the correct perspective for me.

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been vegetarian for 12 years. Off and on vegan...but that's the ultimate goal.

The first couple of years I sounded alot like barkingturtle. Online, at school, at work, I was constantly talking about it. Because it was so insane to me that we as a culture slaughtered helpless animals to eat their flesh and nobody batted an eye about it. In fact, I was the "weird" one because I questioned the practice. Fast forward though and now I actively avoid talking to anyone about any of my beliefs. At the end of the day it gets exhausting and frustrating arguing or debating with things their not interested in realistically spending some critical thinking on. I gave up trying to educate people and just accepted that some people see what I see and some don't.

I find a lot of the time people are more accepting of conversation about controversial issues when they don't feel like they're being pressured into buying into something they don't necessarily fully agree with. A lot of vegans I encounter always believe they have all the right answers. I get that they're passionate, but nobody wants to be patronized and annoyed. And no, it's not that other people are oversensitive. It's that they need to find a better way to initiate and talk about the subject if they intend on "educating" people. When you go full retard right from the start people are just going to shut down.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's that they need to find a better way to initiate and talk about the subject if they intend on "educating" people.

When we protest in grocery stores, they say we should protest farms.

When we protest at farms, they say we should protest slaughterhouses.

When we protest at slaughterhouses, they say we should protest at grocery stores.

The fact is, people don't ever like having their assumptions and ethics challenged. Admitting we've been participating in destructive systems is difficult. We'd rather shoot the messenger. Anything to avoid admitting our complicity, accepting our responsibility. Anything to maintain our cool, cynical detachment. I empathize. It's a bitter pill. I recommend swallowing it the first time.