How Blood Guard does Lodi

[orangemang]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is logs from my wife's PC with a guy who seems to be saying that he's really interested in killing Grizlin, her responses to him, and my objection in ooc. Nowhere in this exchange did anyone say, "we're really just cockblocking this mob from you, deal with it."

[Sun Oct 08] AGGuy says out of character, 'what's this now?'
[Sun Oct 08] Grizlin Bloodfang tells you, 'Attacking Lodizal Master.'
[Sun Oct 08] AGGuy says out of character, 'some interfering/>'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'KS'n also'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'tsk tsk'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i killing that need it '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'i woz killing Grizlin Bloodfang'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'you can get him afterwards'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'U KS my MOB>>'
[Sun Oct 08] You say, 'it's not dead'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude1 says out of character, 'enjoy it while it lasts, can't charm an engaged mob. It's a KS'
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2  says, 'U KS my MOB>> Grizlin Bloodfang i woz killing '
[Sun Oct 08] BGDude2 says, 'KS is KS >'

Recourse #2: Back the fuck off, get a timer, try again.



Not true.
Logs from my FTE listener:
[Sun Oct 08] Lodizal engages Grizlin Bloodfang!
[Sun Oct 08] Lodizal tells you, 'You got next bruh. GL and thx!'



Yes, it's probably true that you were able to engage the mob first when it spawned, but my wife was there waiting for it to spawn, just inside Tash range, wondering what the hell you guys were doing. Grizlin Bloodfang is not an FTE mob. If you wanted the next spawn, maybe call a camp check? We were in the zone, looking forward to his respawn when you arrived.

I would always agree when someone says that it's not OK to charm a mob that is obviously engaged, this is common knowledge. That wasn't really the case here. Enchanter was far enough away that melee animations are not drawn on the client. She thought you guys were maybe going to charm the mob for yourselves. If you had done that, she'd have asked me what to do next and I'd have told her to just charm something else. But instead you guys just acted like you wanted to kill him for loot or exp... which you would have been welcome to only a few minutes later when we were finished with him.



I never admitted I was stalling. At no time during the encounter was I just running around because I could not do anything else. I landed slow right about the time you guys arrived and started whining. Shortly after that I let him close to melee range to torpor tank and stick some dots while waiting for the ENC to arrive with the pet.

AGGal says, 'we were only stalling because Lodizal had killed the gnolls. We were waiting for them to respawn'

This was an unfortunate choice of words on my wife's part. She's a bit of a noob. She should have just said that it was taking us longer than usual to get DPS rolling.

[xx:16:51 2017] Lodizal engages AGGuy!
[xx:20:12 2017] Lodizal yawns.
[xx:21:24 2017] BGDude1 says out of character, 'can't stall it buddy'
[xx:21:53 2017] Auto attack is on.

This is not too bad by current standards.

False. I had a character in zone, and an audio trigger to wake me up. Pretty sure I've got you beat clean on tracking effort here. Since I made it my mission to get a belt from Lodi, I've been all over his shit. No luck with drop table yet, and toxic shit like this keeps happening also.


FTFY. IIRC, we had the gnoll charmed and the turtle nearly dead when staff arrived and despawned it, to my great surprise. You guys were holding your dicks.


Calling bullshit on that.


Lol? Slowed Lodi is pretty easy to tank even with my ghetto gear. Just can't load up DoTs like I'd like to.


You mean you wished for me to respond to your claim on the Grizlin camp? I was supposed to engage with you in a conversation, while killing Lodizal, about an alleged KS on another mob that we had no intention of killing? If you recall from above, my wife did speak to the person who had gone after him and all he could do was say, "U KS MY MOB!". I guess what you really mean is that I should have submitted to your ransom demands. Fuck that.

Ah yes, I remember you being there. It was one of those times that BG got FTE and then fell on their fucking faces. Picture getting clearer...


You really think Staff would have like, reset the mob and been like, ok you guys can try again, but you don't get to use the good gnoll... are you listening to yourself right now? We could have killed that mob with a snow cougar, but it would have been really boring for you to watch.... but at least you'd still have your dick in your hands.

Then I guess you should have used a snow cougar?

I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old. You got outplayed mate and then decided to risk it anyway. Move on with your life already.

[sereal]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then I guess you should have used a snow cougar?

I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old. You got outplayed mate and then decided to risk it anyway. Move on with your life already.

Sound salty that buddy actually has a pretty good argument. post logs.

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by orangemang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not even going to continue attempting to discuss this if all you can do is reply like you're a 5 year old.

U KS MY MOB .... lol.

I'm gonna go ahead and put this one in the "Win" column.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it's probably true that you were able to engage the mob first when it spawned, but my wife was there waiting for it to spawn, just inside Tash range, wondering what the hell you guys were doing. Grizlin Bloodfang is not an FTE mob. If you wanted the next spawn, maybe call a camp check? We were in the zone, looking forward to his respawn when you arrived.

I would always agree when someone says that it's not OK to charm a mob that is obviously engaged, this is common knowledge. That wasn't really the case here. Enchanter was far enough away that melee animations are not drawn on the client. She thought you guys were maybe going to charm the mob for yourselves. If you had done that, she'd have asked me what to do next and I'd have told her to just charm something else. But instead you guys just acted like you wanted to kill him for loot or exp... which you would have been welcome to only a few minutes later when we were finished with him.



I never admitted I was stalling. At no time during the encounter was I just running around because I could not do anything else. I landed slow right about the time you guys arrived and started whining. Shortly after that I let him close to melee range to torpor tank and stick some dots while waiting for the ENC to arrive with the pet.

AGGal says, 'we were only stalling because Lodizal had killed the gnolls. We were waiting for them to spawn.

FTFY. IIRC, we had the gnoll charmed and the turtle nearly dead when staff arrived and despawned it, to my great surprise. You guys were holding your dicks in your hands.

Cut down your post a bit. But ya, you admit to stalling, your wife straight says "stalling". And I'm sorry if she's a bit of a noob and used a poor choice of words, it's still stalling.
You claim at no time were you kiting without being able to do anything else. But she straight up said, in not so many words, that you were kiting in circles because you couldn't do anything else UNTILL the gnoll spawned.

You also admit to knowing it's wrong to charm an engaged mob but not knowing it's against the rules?!? Right..... I'm sure you weren't aware that that is technically considered a KS, even if your willing to "let them kill it when our done with it"and there is absolutely no way for ANYONE to cast tash and charm on a mob without targeting it. If it was targeted you can see its hp, regardless of if your "outside melee animation range" (which, really? Your claiming this as a thing?) therefore you knew it was engaged and chose to charm it anyway. A clear, and undeniable violation of the rules. Because guess what, EVERY MOB IN THIS GAME IS AN FTE MOB, regardless of if it has an FTE message, and regardless of wether or not you think "it should really be a camp".

And to top it all off, you give BG shit for "standing with there dicks in there hands" after you charm KS'ed them and used it to kill Lodi. So your making fun of them for not making a bad situation worse and trying to KS back by taking Lodi? Would have given you some ground to stand on if they had sure. But guess what, they didn't, because they knew it was against the rules.

Congrats, you suck at arguing, BG outplayed you, you got butt hurt, came to rants and flames to try to make them look bad (something I thought AG was above) and then just made yourselfs look like idiots in my, and others opinions. Sure, you got some people throwing salt on it with you, but everyone knows AG hates BG, maybe it has to do with BG having 25% of the numbers and contesting AG on some of there mobs, I don't know, but I do know I think it's funny watching inbox yell concede as soon as a BG enters whatever zone he's trying to raid in.

Things have apparently changed for AG, I don't ever remember seeing them in RNF, and I don't ever remember them crying wolf with bullshit concessions.

Is this the new AG meta game, cry wolf and RNF till we get mobs again?

[Droog007]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cut down your post a bit. But ya, you admit to stalling, your wife straight says "stalling". And I'm sorry if she's a bit of a noob and used a poor choice of words, it's still stalling.
You claim at no time were you kiting without being able to do anything else. But she straight up said, in not so many words, that you were kiting in circles because you couldn't do anything else UNTILL the gnoll spawned.

Then, on my wife's behalf, I officially UN-ADMIT to stalling. Because we didn't. Your stalling claim is a desperate and pitiful attempt to steer away from your bullshit. For one, I can kite the thing as long as I want when there's no one else there to kill it. Please recall that ALL of the 4 MINUTES you are bitching about elapsed before you guys arrived on the scene and announced your presence. TWENTY NINE SECONDS elapsed between the time I heard the time-worn bullshit song of "no stalling" and me stabbing Lodi in the face with my spear.

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Paragraph 2.

I just can't ...

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EVERY MOB IN THIS GAME IS AN FTE MOB

Really...?

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And to top it all off, you give BG shit for "standing with there dicks in there hands"

I was offended by the notion that I'd been outplayed, when in reality I had merely been outdouched. I lashed out, and I'm sorry.

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats, you suck at arguing ... came to rants and flames to try to make them look bad ... just made yourselfs look like idiots ...

Can I get a ruling on this?

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... AG hates BG ...

Getting there... I didn't want Manasana to go, but honestly it's been a bit of a relief. Other than his story and prior to this bullshit, I could not give fewer fucks.

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... cry wolf ...

You mean like hitting the "GM button" because you failed to steal a camped mob in an effort to cunt your way into a Lodi kill?

[Droog007]

I'm lookin' Emerald Jungle ..... and feelin' Icelad Oceaaaan...

I'm feelin'...

OUTDOUCHED, OUTDOUCHED, OUTDOUCHED!

[orangemang]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then, on my wife's behalf, I officially UN-ADMIT to stalling. Because we didn't. Your stalling claim is a desperate and pitiful attempt to steer away from your bullshit. For one, I can kite the thing as long as I want when there's no one else there to kill it. Please recall that ALL of the 4 MINUTES you are bitching about elapsed before you guys arrived on the scene and announced your presence. TWENTY NINE SECONDS elapsed between the time I heard the time-worn bullshit song of "no stalling" and me stabbing Lodi in the face with my spear.

I just can't ...
Really...?
I was offended by the notion that I'd been outplayed, when in reality I had merely been outdouched. I lashed out, and I'm sorry.

Can I get a ruling on this?

Getting there... I didn't want Manasana to go, but honestly it's been a bit of a relief. Other than his story and prior to this bullshit, I could not give fewer fucks.

You mean like hitting the "GM button" because you failed to steal a camped mob in an effort to cunt your way into a Lodi kill?

It wasn't a notion. You were outplayed. Grow up and deal with it because it happens in life. Next time park your chanter on the gnoll spawn and not run her over to it once you realize it was about to get taken as soon as it spawned. Claiming she was in tash range...You were both standing around with your dicks in your hand by Lodi when they went to get the gnoll.

I'm no longer sorry at all you feel wronged. We made a move to take away your advantage, you charmed our engaged mob anyway. End of story. Whether it's a dick move or not is subjective. It was legal and a smart play. Grow the fuck up man. Good luck on your belt. I know I was happy when I got mine several weeks ago.

I have some really good friends in AG that I get in skype calls with and group with regularly. I got a congrats tell from an AG member when we got the Sev FTE 2 weeks ago during that entire cluster fuck. I respect the hell out of the majority of your guilds member base. I am sorry they have to deal with you though and thankful that I don't.

See kids, this is what happens when you give people participation trophies.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then, on my wife's behalf, I officially UN-ADMIT to stalling. Because we didn't. Your stalling claim is a desperate and pitiful attempt to steer away from your bullshit. For one, I can kite the thing as long as I want when there's no one else there to kill it. Please recall that ALL of the 4 MINUTES you are bitching about elapsed before you guys arrived on the scene and announced your presence. TWENTY NINE SECONDS elapsed between the time I heard the time-worn bullshit song of "no stalling" and me stabbing Lodi in the face with my spear.

I just can't ...
Really...?
I was offended by the notion that I'd been outplayed, when in reality I had merely been outdouched. I lashed out, and I'm sorry.

Can I get a ruling on this?

Getting there... I didn't want Manasana to go, but honestly it's been a bit of a relief. Other than his story and prior to this bullshit, I could not give fewer fucks.

You mean like hitting the "GM button" because you failed to steal a camped mob in an effort to cunt your way into a Lodi kill?

I wasn't there, not my stalling claim. Merely pointing out that you made a claim of not stalling and that according to your own logs there was a 4 minute period of no activity between FTE and first action. That would be a stall. And BG didn't fail to steal a camped mob. YOU successfully stole an engaged mob. And there is no "GM button". You broke a rule, chose not to respond to them, could've said "please wait" or something real fast so they didn't feel ignored. And they filed a petition, sirken answered quickly. And don't pretend AG doesn't petition lol. Inbox yells concede at literally every contested mob he's at, regardless of if any rules have been violated, only a matter of time till the crying wolf ban imo.

[vorpal_raddish]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

everyone knows AG hates BG

{{Citation needed}}

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by vorpal_raddish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

{{Citation needed}}

I think the first mob BG contested against AG was a VS/R with paradigm shift. AG got FTE, wiped, AND trained our raid with VS, then, when BG/PS engaged him (without a new FTE, because theyd been trained before agro reset, therefore no new FTE) Inbox started yelling concede and was threatening to petition us for KS'ing there mob because a new FTE wasn't made, and got so exasperated that other AG members were telling him to shut up. The whole thing, train/fight/inbox yelling concede was frapsed, he was told they had it all frapsed, and he still was yelling concede. I've since seen him yell concede or threaten to petition BG at, quite literally, every mob BG has contested against AG since, from Vox to severilous, if inbox is there, he brings salt with him it seems. When an officer of a guild has apparently declared his outright disgust for another, it is hard to keep those feelings and that mentality from trickling down into the masses that are lead by that person. BG has no issue with AG, other than that they seem to go after the same targets and provide some competition. As well as one of BG's leaders is an ex AG officer.

So in my eyes, when one officer of a guild has insulted/called out the entire other guild in public channels, that equals saidnofficers guild not liking other guild. Hate may have been a strong word.