Scout Roll Agreement 2017

[Freakish]

Go ahead and vote no. What'll happen is it starts going to the same guy ten times in a row who will give it to guildies or sell it. Standing on spawn clicking air is as dumb as this game gets.

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Go ahead and vote no. What'll happen is it starts going to the same guy ten times in a row who will give it to guildies or sell it. Standing on spawn clicking air is as dumb as this game gets.

No one is advocating click fest. Just outlining roll rules

[Freakish]

Yes but you tell me I can't roll for my alt, I no longer have a method of getting scout without breaking your roll (of which I have no plans and do not even currently attend rolls). Yes sellers suck. If you find one, just don't help them. But if you tell those sellers they can't roll, you've hit a roadblock and they have the ultimate leverage of burning it down.

[AdrenolineLove]

Too bad so sad. Thats the rules weve agreed to. Dont like it dont come. This will not be a mob in which we are allowing farming. This will not be your cash cow. Get over it.

Why would to not be able to get it for your alt? Go faction, go get the tools and then show up like the rest of us. Put in your time, get your item, move on.

[aaezil]

selling winning roll 5k, selling disc 15k

[AdrenolineLove]

This isn't really a discussion. These are the rules that have been set and you and everyone else can vote agree and disagree. You're welcome to voice your opinion as you'd please but as stated, these are the rules, agree or disagree.

As you can clearly see from the numbers, the majority of us agree. Therefore I am entitled to use "weve" anyway I please as I speak on the majority's behalf.

Feel free to not follow these rules and I will enjoy petitioning you.

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by AdrenolineLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This isn't really a discussion. These are the rules that have been set and you and everyone else can vote agree and disagree. You're welcome to voice your opinion as you'd please but as stated, these are the rules, agree or disagree.

As you can clearly see from the numbers, the majority of us agree. Therefore I am entitled to use "weve" anyway I please as I speak on the majority's behalf.

Feel free to not follow these rules and I will enjoy petitioning you.

This is not your dictatorship and it is entirely a discussion. I could go tomorrow and decide to clickfest it and legally in P99 rules there is nothing you could do about it, given I didnt roll and /ooc'd that Im click festing it, which I still wouldnt do cause, clickfest, gross, etc.

YOU are welcome to voice your opinions, but realize they are just that, your opinions. You are not P99 staff and you do not get to lay down the rules of the land that everyone must follow because you feel entitled to loot.

So please, GTFO, you dont speak for everyone, and let people discuss this.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by Legidias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not your dictatorship and it is entirely a discussion.

The entire point of this thread is not a discussion. It is to outline and make official the rules of the player agreement as stated in the OP, which the majority of responses so far agree with which state clearly that the winning roller must be the one to receive loot. So if this vote passes the rules in the OP are official player agreement which is allegedly enforced by GM/petition(?)

This is the way 90% of all people that show up to roll have already been doing it anways and there's no complaints. We all come and roll and losers help winners and nobody complains. It's not about loot entitlement, it's about wanting to make the roll fair for people that actually need it and not an opportunity for someone to show up every 10 hours to try and make a quick buck with all our help. Arguing to make the win MQable or salable is arguing for greed. It's anti social and crappy.

[Fasttimes]

Wtb disc x4 22k each PM ya boy

[Toomuch]

I haven't voted yet, I'm honestly on the fence about this. Below are some collected thoughts.

"Click-fest turn-in rights" is out. It's a cluster, and leaves way too much room for cheap manipulation, or even cheating, as was mentioned earlier. I think 95% of the server agrees with this, and the other 5% are the ones looking to get ahead with the cheap/cheating tactics.

Selling your roll/turn-in is out. It's crap, because there are other cash camps out there. I feel like this encounter should be about upgrades for characters that are needing for them, not profits.

After that, there's a lot of factors that start to come into play, so I went old fashioned with an over-the-top pros/cons list:

Pros of the "You roll for yourself, you turn in your own tools, you loot" method
1. Encourages mob to not be a "cash cow" for farmers, and instead limits participation to those players for whom it would be an upgrade only.
2. An unguilded/solo player, or player in a much smaller guild, has a higher chance of getting their upgrade if the masses aren't rolling on behalf of their friends/guildies.
3. There's a good chance that more people will still participate after losing the roll (before scout even pops), because everyone is there for more "pure" reasons, and has the mentality of "we're all in the same boat together". In other words, less people will be like "wtf, a seller/big-guild wins again. I'm sick of this - gating."
4. There might be more player participation from the lesser geared individuals if they know that those players that already have it (or better) will not be rolling. However, see point #1 in the cons, below.

Cons of the "You roll for yourself, you turn in your own tools, you loot" method
1. There will legitimately be less high-end participation if the people that already have it (or better) have nothing to personally gain (or gain for their friends/guildies) by being there, aside from helping in the event that a friend/guildy wins the roll. That means less clicky clerics there, less geared tanks, less people that know the encounter, etc. Encounter will probably still go just fine 90% of the time, but someone might pull the whole train of giants once or twice.
2. It goes against the concept of "fair representation." If a guild has 10 to 15 extra people show up for the scout roll (who honestly could could easily handle the encounter by themselves) good on them! Each person present is putting in the time and dedication, and each individual there is a person behind a monitor that feels like they deserve representation and a fair shake of the dice. Let's be clear and honest that it's very much not selfish of these individuals to want to help their friends and guildmates. Wouldn't it be great if we all had 10 or 15 helpful friends and guildmates that had our backs, and were going out of their way to come to scout, just to help us get geared? Isn't a LOT of Everquest all about getting friends and guildies together and helping each other get/accomplish things (often at the cost of other people not getting/accomplishing those same things)?

When I look at both sides of this, I honestly don't know... I think that as long as it's clarified, set in stone, and enforced, I'll be good with it either way.