America Vs China

[naez]

smedy sweden dont got nukes or a 2nd amendment

gtfo

[Fenrisulfr]

Russia.

[Ronas]

The votes are pretty even at the moment.

There were restrictions in place because

1. Use of Nukes wouldn't really be put into play, to me i believe they are there just to scare the other nations but neither countries would use them (Well maybe the US because they are stupid and arrogant) due to one bomb pretty much blasting away 1/5 of the world, and leaving behind scars on the planet that wouldn't regen for over 1000 years.

2. I put in no allies because the US has only won one war in history without allies and that when they fought for there independence? Correct me if i am wrong here.

3. And lastly economic was optional, but taken out due to the chinese having holdings in almost every massive company in the world. Mining, food, constructions. If this were to come into play it would put the chinese on a huge advantage, on top of all that, doesnt the US owe China money too? Plus the chinese are playing it smart using the net for cyber espionage into other companies to take them over. Whilst the US are warring for quick cash in the oil industry countries only.

End game, the US might win if the war was quick and decisive but that wouldn't be possible due to the chinese setting up defenses to counter quick assaults like the shock and awe tactics used in Iraq. The chinese know all counter measures for that already, so the war would be drawn out and the US eventually would exhaust there resources within there own country and lose out in the end.

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Ronas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The votes are pretty even at the moment.

There were restrictions in place because

1. Use of Nukes wouldn't really be put into play, to me i believe they are there just to scare the other nations but neither countries would use them (Well maybe the US because they are stupid and arrogant) due to one bomb pretty much blasting away 1/5 of the world, and leaving behind scars on the planet that wouldn't regen for over 1000 years.

2. I put in no allies because the US has only won one war in history without allies and that when they fought for there independence? Correct me if i am wrong here.

3. And lastly economic was optional, but taken out due to the chinese having holdings in almost every massive company in the world. Mining, food, constructions. If this were to come into play it would put the chinese on a huge advantage, on top of all that, doesnt the US owe China money too? Plus the chinese are playing it smart using the net for cyber espionage into other companies to take them over. Whilst the US are warring for quick cash in the oil industry countries only.

End game, the US might win if the war was quick and decisive but that wouldn't be possible due to the chinese setting up defenses to counter quick assaults like the shock and awe tactics used in Iraq. The chinese know all counter measures for that already, so the war would be drawn out and the US eventually would exhaust there resources within there own country and lose out in the end.

Sigh....

1: Scars, how? It would fuck up civilization and gut out almost every city, turning them into plague hole, but what scars to the planet exactly?

2: Pretty much every single war they fought before the Great War. Unilateralism and refusal to be bound up in alliances was central to American foreign policy before the 20th Century (The US looked on them as a web European powers used to drag each other into wars they didn't want to be in).

3: China and the US go to war, they're both fucked economically. One buys too much from the other while the others trade lanes will be shutdown asap.

End game, the US might win if the war was quick and decisive but that wouldn't be possible due to the chinese setting up defenses to counter quick assaults like the shock and awe tactics used in Iraq. The chinese know all counter measures for that already, so the war would be drawn out and the US eventually would exhaust there resources within there own country and lose out in the end.

All modern wars are quick due to the fact that modern warfare is geared towards the massive outpouring of munitions.

Every modern war conventional war has either ended quick and decisively or both sides wound up expending all their munitions and could only continue when their backers rushed to resupply them (The Abrab-Israeli wars).

Discounting the PLAAF is a fool's errand.

The Black Eagle

Chengdu J-20

Both in the infancy of their development. The mainstay of China will remain rip off Russian designs for quite some time.

The only problem is America is shooting themselves by slack on aircraft development and will rely on aircraft whose design history began in the 60s and were developed a decade after that.

US has a ton more military assets at the moment. They may have more people, but we have way more ships, planes, missiles, etc. In 2011, I don't think the Chinese could bridge the gap.

Now if we told them we would be fighting in 2016, and they had time to prepare, they would kick our shit.

America is over committed and under funded while the Chinese are still decades from training their military to be of Western quality.

No. Would only take one MIRV warhead to take out their entire population.

A single warhead wouldn't even destroy a single city.

you could load the things up with some kind of bio weapon and get the same result.

How to deploy?

"Things" is not the answer.

This.

We live in a global economy, advanced countries experience warfare on the economic level, not the militaristic.

Has been for the last two centuries.

Actually the US navy is rendered useless sitting ducks by Chinese submarines. This is a recent development within the past few years as they have been popping up behind US naval carriers during military exercises.

All Chinese subs currently in service are only glorified diesel subs, they can't run over 20 knots for long without destroying their engine machinery.

Chinese metallurgy is notoriously poor in quality.

China’s Carrier Killer Ballistic Missiles are Operational
new DF-21D anti-ship balistic missiles
with their 900-mile range, have reached an early operational status.

Launch a ballistic missile, start a nuclear war.

[Juda]

Originally Posted by Beastro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sigh....

1: Scars, how? It would fuck up civilization and gut out almost every city, turning them into plague hole, but what scars to the planet exactly?

2: Pretty much every single war they fought before the Great War. Unilateralism and refusal to be bound up in alliances was central to American foreign policy before the 20th Century (The US looked on them as a web European powers used to drag each other into wars they didn't want to be in).

3: China and the US go to war, they're both fucked economically. One buys too much from the other while the others trade lanes will be shutdown asap.



All modern wars are quick due to the fact that modern warfare is geared towards the massive outpouring of munitions.

Every modern war conventional war has either ended quick and decisively or both sides wound up expending all their munitions and could only continue when their backers rushed to resupply them (The Abrab-Israeli wars).


Both in the infancy of their development. The mainstay of China will remain rip off Russian designs for quite some time.

The only problem is America is shooting themselves by slack on aircraft development and will rely on aircraft whose design history began in the 60s and were developed a decade after that.



America is over committed and under funded while the Chinese are still decades from training their military to be of Western quality.



A single warhead wouldn't even destroy a single city.



How to deploy?

"Things" is not the answer.



Has been for the last two centuries.



All Chinese subs currently in service are only glorified diesel subs, they can't run over 20 knots for long without destroying their engine machinery.

Chinese metallurgy is notoriously poor in quality.



Launch a ballistic missile, start a nuclear war.

its not a ICBM its a fuckin carrier killer you know that most powerful navy you once knew now all sunk to the bottom cause a few missles

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Juda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its not a ICBM its a fuckin carrier killer you know that most powerful navy you once knew now all sunk to the bottom cause a few missles

There's more ballistic missiles types than the ICBMs.

The US may recognize a SRBM/MRBM launch as not a threat to CONUS but India and Russia will immediately shits their pants and launch because they don't know wtf the thing is heading for.

Russian and India launch, Pakistan and NATO then launch.

It takes a good 20-30 minutes to know where a ballistic missile is going. You have only 5 to order you're to get your ready and flying before the enemies land. Even less with the shorter ranges missiles so you fire ASAP.

Solely relying on ballistic missiles has always been retarded and one of the greatest fuck ups in the history of nuclear deterrence was the shift to soley relying on them instead of a mixed force with bombers which are both harder to hit, give you a greater reaction time to prevent a crisis from going to war and have thinking human beings behind them.

FYI, there's no such thing as a ballistic missile "self-destruct system", once they're fired WWIII begins.

Of course, all this is beside the fact that we have yet to see these Chicom missiles in action. They are after all, ballistic: Once the CBG makes even the slightest turn the missile will just plop harmlessly into the sea miles from the carrier.

The US keeps a close eye on missile launches from every country and in war time conditions, bar a ballistic launch triggering a nuclear exchange, every CBG in range will alter course.

You can counter that the US GSP sat system will get knocked out right off the bat and you'd be right... just like China's equivalent will be and without it there's no way the Chinese will even know where the US carriers are much less fire off missiles at them.

And of course, we haven't yet touched upon the fact that the USN is arming their escort ships with ABM systems as we speak.

Cut out the dick waving and state facts.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Beastro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All modern wars are quick

..wait..

How long has the US been in the middle east?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Beastro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both in the infancy of their development. The mainstay of China will remain rip off Russian designs for quite some time.

Yeeeeah.

It's the same aircraft.

Chengdu is the manufacturer of aircraft model J-20, code named "The Black Eagle."

You want us to think that you're smart, huh?

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeeeeah.

It's the same aircraft.

Chengdu is the manufacturer of aircraft model J-20, code named "The Black Eagle."

Tired, got the engines wrong.

They seem to be testing two different engines on two prototypes, the native (rip off) WS-10 and the Russian AL-31F.

You want us to think that you're smart, huh?

Spare me the dick waving, I'm just posting in this stupid thread to keep it from degenerating into blind US patriotism and anti-Americanism.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point stands. Discounting the PLAAF is a fool's errand.

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Originally Posted by Beastro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Still in prototype and won't be in service for more than a decade, the mainstay will remain Sukhoi ripoffs just like the US will remain tied to the F-15,-16 and -18.

Rofl dude. That picture *IS* a Sukhoi. T-50.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want us to think that you're smart, huh?