Highkeep / Highhold Keep Goblins

[shuklak]

Crash going zerk. Don't let him zerk!

[NegaStoat]

Classic example of a line where punctuation changes everything

-- what do you think I'll shave you for nothing and give you a drink --

"What do you think? I'll shave you for nothing and give you a drink!"
"What! Do you think I'll shave you for nothing and give you a drink?"

Let's take a look at what the GM said.

-- 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99' --

"Yea it was one room ... but not on p99"

That's the key to the whole thing. The first part affirms that the implied camp or situation in this case WAS one room, or one camp on SOME classic old retail servers. The second part affirms that the previous described state is a negative on p99, or a state that is not present.

OR

The first part affirms that the specific set of goblin spawns in question was considered one room, or one camp, all on its own. And the second part affirms that a negative of that state is present on P1999, and thus ALL of the goblin spawns are one camp.

My gut tells me that going off of standard English language literature and communication, the first one is what the GM was asserting. This hinges on the speaker's first part (''no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic.") being used to describe a state on previous retail servers, with emphasis given to 'TRUE classic' (note caps). This strongly implies an X / Y comparison, with p1999 being Y, thus implied different, to X (old retail). Thus asserting Y (p1999) has a difference found with the goblin spawns being their own set of different camps.

The OP's confusion is understandable. A moderate amount of clarity is lacking with what the GM said.

[trite]

Originally Posted by Crashking [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post is to make everyone aware of what GM Cylock had to say about the camp as I have had way too much trouble here in what i call paradise. This is an exact excerpt from my logfile when speaking to GM Cylock over issue I had with a level 60 mage who decided to walk in and obliterate the area and not even loot from the mobs.

[Wed Jul 26 15:49:45 2017] You told Cylock, 'a player pulled up some info saying rogean deam each room here a camp but i couldnt find this on the forums when i seached.. it that truely the case?'

[Wed Jul 26 15:50:19 2017] Cylock tells you, 'no, that entire area is one camp, back in TRUE classic. Yea it was one room ... but not on p99'
[Wed Jul 26 15:50:34 2017] You told Cylock '[queued], okay good to know thanks'

So the next time someone comes to gank on mobs when the camp is already owned, I will be pointing them to this. You have now been informed, so let their be peace over this little slice of paradise.

During kunark era on the live server povar, every room was held by a different group, guard room, lookout room, warrior room and raider room....there was a list to get into each group....

If he is saying the whole goblin area was one camp in classic, that isn't true...no idea what he was actually trying to say...

[Llandris]

In the essence of transparency, I'm going to comment and clarify Cylocks ruling. The basement of HK CAN be split into 4 separate camps, depending on the amount of players in zone willing to contest. After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page. Happy hunting!

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page.

Speaking of being on the "same page", I've had an idea for awhile now of adding camp information to the wiki. For instance, I might add a sentence to the Highkeep page that says "The entire basement can be camped by a single person, but if others wish to share the basement it can/should be divided into as many as four different camps" (and then include a link to this thread).

I haven't done it yet though because it might constrain future staff rulings (and I certainly don't want to make anyone's life harder). But if it's not a problem I think it might be helpful for people, especially those that don't read the forums. So would something like that be welcome or discouraged?

P.S. Thanks again for the assistance last night; we're all very lucky to have such great volunteers helping us!

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speaking of being on the "same page", I've had an idea for awhile now of adding camp information to the wiki. For instance, I might add a sentence to the Highkeep page that says "The entire basement can be camped by a single person, but if others wish to share the basement it can/should be divided into as many as four different camps" (and then include a link to this thread).

I haven't done it yet though because it might constrain future staff rulings (and I certainly don't want to make anyone's life harder). But if it's not a problem I think it might be helpful for people, especially those that don't read the forums. So would something like that be welcome or discouraged?

P.S. Thanks again for the assistance last night; we're all very lucky to have such great volunteers helping us!

Fuck off, no. Camps are intentionally undefined.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck off, no. Camps are intentionally undefined.

I know historically that has been the case, so as to not limit future rulings with past ones. But what Llandris said:

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the essence of transparency ... it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page.

suggested a possible change to that.

IF the staff is going to try to have the same rulings for camps, consistently, then making those rulings available to the 50+% of the server that doesn't read these forums seems like it would be helpful. Both for players (so that one player couldn't scare less knowledgeable players away from the basement by claiming it's a single camp) and for the staff (if a player could tell that other player "hey you have to share the basement, it says so on the wiki" that might reduce petitions).

So I just thought I'd ask; no need to get upset over a simple question. If it's a problem for the staff in any way I will happily refrain from adding rulings like this to the wiki.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the essence of transparency, I'm going to comment and clarify Cylocks ruling. The basement of HK CAN be split into 4 separate camps, depending on the amount of players in zone willing to contest. After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page. Happy hunting!

Also, pick pocket is classic.

PRAS THE STAFF

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Llandris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the essence of transparency, I'm going to comment and clarify Cylocks ruling. The basement of HK CAN be split into 4 separate camps, depending on the amount of players in zone willing to contest. After discussion with the rest of the staff, it is of utmost importance that us, as a staff, are all on the same page. Happy hunting!

This is very well written and clear <3

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is very well written and clear <3

stop trolling.