Quick question regarding necro race

[Nixtar]

At this point, minmaxing in this game should be regarded as a bit of joke. This game is not hard. This game is slow. Everything is measured in time spent. Solo-artists are based on the amount of plat you can blow on consumables, i.e. camping and hoarding items to boost "your skill." Of course, your power-level is also measured in the amount of time spent getting phat lewts.

I mean, ffs, the competitive aspect of this game is bloody foot races and tracking mobs. Let that sink in for a moment. Every single encounter has a strat, no mystery, no surprises.

In other words, play what you want. Regen does give you an edge but it is far from making you "enormously" more efficient.

[Priceline]

Your still missing the jism of the debate.

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

Toss numbers in there all you want but you're still just talking icing on an already robust cake.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your still missing the jism of the debate.

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

Toss numbers in there all you want but you're still just talking icing on an already robust cake.

you can't discuss classes on p99 with min/maxers.

also, just avoiding the gimpy-ass retarded running the iksars have for animations is more than enough reason not to pick them. It doesn't matter you can skellie form later, deep inside you still a gimpy-ass retarded looking iksar.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The racial regen makes one of the most efficient classes in the game more efficient but they can do just as fine without it.

That's the thing though, they can't do just as fine. They can do worse, with no other option. That you don't seem to like this plain fact does not make it less of a fact.

Iksar necromancers are more efficient. They are better. Period. Recognizing this does not say anything about who somebody is as a person, just their ability to...you know...come to logical conclusions based on reality.

[Priceline]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the thing though, they can't do just as fine. They can do worse, with no other option. That you don't seem to like this plain fact does not make it less of a fact.

Iksar necromancers are more efficient. They are better. Period. Recognizing this does not say anything about who somebody is as a person, just their ability to...you know...come to logical conclusions based on reality.

I totally get that the regen is a nice perk but it doesn't change the fact that a non-iksar can still solo all the things an iksar can.

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion. Here is an easy example, Solo Artist Challenge, only 1 of the 3 listed on the first page is your beloved lizard folk. you probably should get the gm's to correct that mistake cause obviously all 3 must be iksars.. cause you can't play a nec at the top level w/out being an Iksar.

Now please go tell newbie necro's of the non lizard kind to "git gud"

[commongood]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally get that the regen is a nice perk but it doesn't change the fact that a non-iksar can still solo all the things an iksar can.

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion. Here is an easy example, Solo Artist Challenge, only 1 of the 3 listed on the first page is your beloved lizard folk. you probably should get the gm's to correct that mistake cause obviously all 3 must be iksars.. cause you can't play a nec at the top level w/out being an Iksar.

Now please go tell newbie necro's of the non lizard kind to "git gud"

I think you are splitting hairs. No one is on a soap box here. Someone asked if it's a worthwhile difference to choose iksar over the other races for a necromancer. It does. Is iksar a more efficient choice? Yes. Is "efficient" = better? Depends on what you are measuring I guess. But I think it's hard to argue that it is not desirable to be more efficient.

Does that mean an iksar can solo anything a non- iksar can't? Well no but the iksar will be more efficient at it. Does that matter enough to steer your hand when picking race? That's up to individual preference

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Priceline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

efficiency doesn't equal better, not sure how you came to this conclusion.

So...your argument is based on not believing that more efficient is objectively better than less efficient?

I mean that's fine and all, but you probably shouldn't try to convince people that it doesn't make a difference when it very much does.

[Teppler]

Don't forget the existence of HP drain clickies for necros as well.

I always used to argue regen didn't matter as much as people made it out.

[commongood]

People on these forums are so extreme... people are either casual SCUM or dirty min/maxing neckbeards!

I'm fairly casual but I still care about class racial benefits. Go figure.

Look, if you really enjoy how a Dark Elf looks more than gaining a fairly tangible advantage then that's totally fair. Just don't do it without knowing the difference. Yes, a Dark Elf necro can still solo the same mobs that an Iksar can, but not as effeciently.

People gladly pay upwards of 180k for a Zlandicar's Heart solely because it gives 5 regen. Iksar regen at lvl 60 is 8 when standing, 11 when sitting /shrug

[Priceline]

Another great example from that solo artists challenge is the top shaman NOT being an ogre or regen race. Which is probably the most debated thing on this forum outside of which Necro race.