Why not switch?

[skarlorn]

yes it is a better use of time if you are interested in community oriented gaming

[mickmoranis]

you have to make friends to survive on red, you can solo to BIS on blue and be a warm body on raids with huge numbers of folks that dont talk and only log in to raid.

idk how you think blue is more community oriented but thats just false.

You cannot and will not be able to surivive on red w/out a community of pals.

[skarlorn]

It's more community oriented because there's less toxic abuse to newer players, more options for the type of community you want to join, and has a larger stream of fresh players to interact with.

Theoretically, sure, red could be great. But, for whatever reason (the players), it's a shithole that will drive you away once you get to the higher levels.

[Loke]

I really enjoyed leveling on red. Have a 60 cleric there. However, the server became much less fun once I was in range of 60s. I had to go hide with a duo partner in a locked wing of HS to get 60, because any where that didnt require at least some effort to get to resulted in getting griefed by geared out 60s. I don't mind pvp, but getting killed repeatedly in 3 v 1 fights when the 3 are raid geared pvp classes and you're a cleric wearing bronze armor gets old reaaaal fast.

Toxic red players killed the community due to their lack of self control, valuing kills over community, and no amount of begging blue players to give it a try will fix that situation.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really enjoyed leveling on red. Have a 60 cleric there. However, the server became much less fun once I was in range of 60s. I had to go hide with a duo partner in a locked wing of HS to get 60, because any where that didnt require at least some effort to get to resulted in getting griefed by geared out 60s. I don't mind pvp, but getting killed repeatedly in 3 v 1 fights when the 3 are raid geared pvp classes and you're a cleric wearing bronze armor gets old reaaaal fast.

Toxic red players killed the community due to their lack of self control, valuing kills over community, and no amount of begging blue players to give it a try will fix that situation.

in your first paragraph you literally described what makes red everquest the best everquest, but you describe it like you didnt like it, which is v sad and i feel bad that you dont enjoy the amazing strats you come up with on red to play a game that is literally ALL about amazing strats. /shrug

[Loke]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

in your first paragraph you literally described what makes red everquest the best everquest, but you describe it like you didnt like it, which is v sad and i feel bad that you dont enjoy the amazing strats you come up with on red to play a game that is literally ALL about amazing strats. /shrug

I don't know what sort of strats are going to allow a late 50s cleric to be able to 3 v 1 against NToV geared wiz / monk / rogue. That was a legit fight I got into once. 3 empire members chasing me back and forth at the sol ro zone line until I eventually just plugged. Where is the challenge in that? Does anyone find those sort of fights challenging or fun? The server was literally raid geared players shooting lower level and under geared fish in a barrel.

Even worse, I actually app'd to empire cause of a friend in the guild, and the next day I had members trying to get me to help them pvp the exp group I was currently in. Then they killed me when I declined because I was trying to get 60. Everyone on red seemed to want you to inherit their grudges. Apparently not being a dick to someone was enough to make enemies of someone else who didn't like that person. The whole thing was just way too much drama, especially considering I started in velious and had no idea about the years of past drama, or who hated who and why. I just wanted to play the game, not get wrapped up in a bunch of immature high schoolesque grudges.

[Ardok]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what sort of strats are going to allow a late 50s cleric to be able to 3 v 1 against NToV geared wiz / monk / rogue. That was a legit fight I got into once. 3 empire members chasing me back and forth at the sol ro zone line until I eventually just plugged. Where is the challenge in that? Does anyone find those sort of fights challenging or fun? The server was literally raid geared players shooting lower level and under geared fish in a barrel.

Even worse, I actually app'd to empire cause of a friend in the guild, and the next day I had members trying to get me to help them pvp the exp group I was currently in. Then they killed me when I declined because I was trying to get 60. Everyone on red seemed to want you to inherit their grudges. Apparently not being a dick to someone was enough to make enemies of someone else who didn't like that person. The whole thing was just way too much drama, especially considering I started in velious and had no idea about the years of past drama, or who hated who and why. I just wanted to play the game, not get wrapped up in a bunch of immature high schoolesque grudges.

[mickmoranis]

no, finding a cool secret spot deep in a dungeon that you feel secure in and at least ready to be able to handle pvp should it try to come.

Thats like everquest, hard mode.

Which is awesome.

Idk i like hard mode.

Some snowflakes dont, but then again, why are they not playing nost in the first place ya kno?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, finding a cool secret spot deep in a dungeon that you feel secure in and at least ready to be able to handle pvp should it try to come.

Except that if he was deep in that dungeon with his buddy and those 3 NToV geared level 60's decided they were bored enough that they were going to work down to them, there still isn't anything he could have done except get reamed by characters with vastly superior gear...

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except that if he was deep in that dungeon with his buddy and those 3 NToV geared level 60's decided they were bored enough that they were going to work down to them, there still isn't anything he could have done except get reamed by characters with vastly superior gear...

For the sake of accuracy, those were two different incidents. The sol ro deal was when I was running around for a quest or something solo, but still, 3 geared players spending a solid 20 minutes chasing me back and forth on the zone line was pretty lame. If my SSD hadn't been faster than theirs with load time they'd have probably got me.

Hiding in HS west did largely work, but even trying to go to velks, kael, or sol b was pretty much a death sentence.