Trading Items to others Characther is a pain..

[loramin]

There's a whole lot of victim blaming in this thread (as there is in every "I lost stuff" thread). It's human nature: we all want to think "that's horrible, but it could never happen to me", and so we find reasons why the OP was dumber than us and therefore why it couldn't happen to us. Same thing that happens to many crime victims IRL (especially rape victims).

But the truth is that if OP had done a drop transfer, he'd be blamed too. If he'd gotten a non-guilded level 60 in the tunnel to do the transfer he'd be blamed. And if everyone on the server only did transfers with A/A members, A/A members would get sick of it real fast and stop doing transfers for people. The truth is someone took advantage of OP and it's not his fault, and if we had bad luck it could happen to most of us too (no you can not "smell" all bad people on the server).

As for everything else about transfers being a pain ... yes, they are. So are many, many things in classic EverQuest: that's part of it's "charm".

[Nahilu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a whole lot of victim blaming in this thread (as there is in every "I lost stuff" thread). It's human nature: we all want to think "that's horrible, but it could never happen to me", and so we find reasons why the OP was dumber than us and therefore why it couldn't happen to us. Same thing that happens to many crime victims IRL (especially rape victims).

But the truth is that if OP had done a drop transfer, he'd be blamed too. If he'd gotten a non-guilded level 60 in the tunnel to do the transfer he'd be blamed. And if everyone on the server only did transfers with A/A members, A/A members would get sick of it real fast and stop doing transfers for people. The truth is someone took advantage of OP and it's not his fault, and if we had bad luck it could happen to most of us too (no you can not "smell" all bad people on the server).

As for everything else about transfers being a pain ... yes, they are. So are many, many things in classic EverQuest: that's part of it's "charm".

I am a French Game Designer.

I Worked on 3 released title.

I could be bad or good or whatever you guys want to make you happy.

Thing in Video Game I Like is

When SOMETHING IS NOT FUN it should not be part of the game.

When an animator work on a WOW Animation but I have 12 FPS in my screen IT IS NOT FUN so remove it.

When You make ANYTHING in a Build (game) about sounds or WHATEVER if SOMEONE proove you it is NOT FUN it SHOULD NOT BE in the game.

Trading on P99 IS A PAIN IN THE .... Solution like SHARED BANK would GREATLY increase the fun on it. It would not resolve all problem related to different account BUT STILL A GREAT IMPROVEMENT.

Why ? Because it is fun and it is a Video Game so it should be part of it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Nahilu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why ? Because it is fun and it is a Video Game so it should be part of it.

Right: that's very much NOT the design philosophy of Classic EverQuest. Over time they tried to "fix" it, and then WoW tried to further "fix" it. Both attempts resulted in far greater commercial success (ie. PoP EQ had way more players than Velious EQ, and WoW had big multiples of both) ... but, neither one was classic EverQuest.

Dying and corpse running are the perfect example: they're not fun. Everyone agrees on this, and that's why WoW completely changed the whole process, and live EQ added spires, PoK, and god knows what else live has now. And yet, over a thousand players play here, and part of it is because of the death. As un-fun as it is it makes the rest of the game more fun.

Game design is complex, and while modern game design definitely has a lot to teach the 1999 version of Smedley and McQuaid (EQ's original head developers), at the same time modern game design has managed to lose something special that classic EQ had. The "not fun" parts are very much a part of what makes classic EQ special.

P.S. You don't happen to work on Dofus do you? An (American) friend of mine really loves that game.

[Nahilu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dying and corpse running are the perfect example: they're not fun.

MMM actually corpse run ITSELF is not fun BUT it make the world more dangerous.

Remove Exp Lost , Remove Corpse Run.

You can now play like a No Brainer game AND THAT IS NOT FUN.

So Corpse Run is actually fun , exp lost is actually fun , because you play the game differently and the fear of dying , this sensation of being in danger in every zone , sensation of being far from bind ect ect.. is actually fun. It`s exactly why I still Play EQ and Why i play 10 MIN a new MMO and then stop.

No Danger , no brainer , quest log , follow the quest log , follow the minimap , follow every UI you have never watch your screen... exploration 0

EverQuest is all about Challenge VS Reward and it is where that game got it completely perfect.

No I worked for Skylanders 3DS WII , Destiny and others Activision Games.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right: that's very much NOT the design philosophy of Classic EverQuest. Over time they tried to "fix" it, and then WoW tried to further "fix" it. Both attempts resulted in far greater commercial success (ie. PoP EQ had way more players than Velious EQ, and WoW had big multiples of both) ... but, neither one was classic EverQuest.

Dying and corpse running are the perfect example: they're not fun. Everyone agrees on this, and that's why WoW completely changed the whole process, and live EQ added spires, PoK, and god knows what else live has now. And yet, over a thousand players play here, and part of it is because of the death. As un-fun as it is it makes the rest of the game more fun.

Game design is complex, and while modern game design definitely has a lot to teach the 1999 version of Smedley and McQuaid (EQ's original head developers), at the same time modern game design has managed to lose something special that classic EQ had. The "not fun" parts are very much a part of what makes classic EQ special.

P.S. You don't happen to work on Dofus do you? An (American) friend of mine really loves that game.

Not playing Devil's Advocate here, I actually like corpse runs. It's challenging and often social.

[Spyder73]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not playing Devil's Advocate here, I actually like corpse runs. It's challenging and often social.

Corpse runs are fine, just give us the #$%!ing shared bank and LFG tool please

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not playing Devil's Advocate here, I actually like corpse runs. It's challenging and often social.

Fair enough, but even so the point is that most people don't enjoy them, and as a result game designers in every MMOG since EQ have made them easier (not to mention EQ itself made them easier over time). But at the same time, whether they're "not fun" or just "not fun except for people like Jimjam", they are an essential part of what makes classic EQ overall fun.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a whole lot of victim blaming in this thread (as there is in every "I lost stuff" thread). It's human nature: we all want to think "that's horrible, but it could never happen to me", and so we find reasons why the OP was dumber than us and therefore why it couldn't happen to us. Same thing that happens to many crime victims IRL (especially rape victims).

But the truth is that if OP had done a drop transfer, he'd be blamed too. If he'd gotten a non-guilded level 60 in the tunnel to do the transfer he'd be blamed. And if everyone on the server only did transfers with A/A members, A/A members would get sick of it real fast and stop doing transfers for people. The truth is someone took advantage of OP and it's not his fault, and if we had bad luck it could happen to most of us too (no you can not "smell" all bad people on the server).

As for everything else about transfers being a pain ... yes, they are. So are many, many things in classic EverQuest: that's part of it's "charm".

Guy is literally ranting/preaching about rape victims cause a noob lost items on a 20 year old emulator... ROFL you just made my day mate

[loramin]

Originally Posted by aaezil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy is literally ranting/preaching about rape victims cause a noob lost items on a 20 year old emulator... ROFL you just made my day mate

"ranting/preaching about rape victims" ... I mentioned the word rape once (out of 190+ words), in a parenthetical, and only because it's a far more common instance of "blaming the victim" than having your stuff stolen on a 19-year old elf sim.

Someone has trigger issues ....

[skarlorn]

Seems preventable