Austria, WTF?

[JurisDictum]

This is what the map looked like in 1200 AD:

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1200/index.html

Shit changes. That's how the world was back then. Warlords would invade territory because of religious reasons (Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu whatever) or because they could.

Muslims often invaded areas to "protect Muslims" in the same manner as Christians. Muslim bigshots were rich from shipping trade around the Indian Ocean -- they used the money to build Mosques and promote Islam (to promote more trade). Then when Islam converts were inevitably attacked in some city by the pagans (less often Christians), the bigshot sends in his army to "protect Muslims" and take a city.

Muslims and Christians are very similar is all I'm saying. They did the same kind of stuff. Your big point is Muslims did it first...whatever. That was in 700 fucking AD wasn't it?

Now a days. Christians and Muslims continue to be very similar IMO. They just can't see it.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what the map looked like in 1200 AD:

http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1200/index.html

Shit changes. That's how the world was back then. Warlords would invade territory because of religious reasons (Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu whatever) or because they could.

Muslims often invaded areas to "protect Muslims" in the same manner as Christians. Muslim bigshots were rich from shipping trade around the Indian Ocean -- they used the money to build Mosques and promote Islam (to promote more trade). Then when Islam converts were inevitably attacked in some city by the pagans (less often Christians), the bigshot sends in his army to "protect Muslims" and take a city.

Muslims and Christians are very similar is all I'm saying. They did the same kind of stuff. Your big point is Muslims did it first...whatever. That was in 700 fucking AD wasn't it?

Now a days. Christians and Muslims continue to be very similar IMO. They just can't see it.

finland isn't on this map [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Muslims and Christians are very similar is all I'm saying. They did the same kind of stuff. Your big point is Muslims did it first...whatever. That was in 700 fucking AD wasn't it?

Now a days. Christians and Muslims continue to be very similar IMO. They just can't see it.

Yes, many Christians I know throw gays off of tall buildings, behead their enemies or drop them into the sea in a cage, and fly planes into their buildings. Someone really should stand up to them finally and stop this horror.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, many Christians I know throw gays off of tall buildings, behead their enemies or drop them into the sea in a cage, and fly planes into their buildings. Someone really should stand up to them finally and stop this horror.

No, Christians never burned perceived heretics at the stake, quartered blasphemers, tortured Jews, tortured Christians, tortured Muslims, or persecuted anyone on unsubstantiated grounds that exceeded their over arcing governing ethics.

[Nilstoniakrath]

Originally Posted by Ahldagor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, Christians never burned perceived heretics at the stake, quartered blasphemers, tortured Jews, tortured Christians, tortured Muslims, or persecuted anyone on unsubstantiated grounds that exceeded their over arcing governing ethics.

Yes, like I said, Christians are burning and quartering lots of heretics these days, it is especially horrible when they live-stream that crap.

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by Nilstoniakrath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, many Christians I know throw gays off of tall buildings, behead their enemies or drop them into the sea in a cage, and fly planes into their buildings. Someone really should stand up to them finally and stop this horror.

actually christian terrorism is pretty fucking extreme, last month christian extremists droped whats called a MOAB and also struck Syria with missiles launched from GIANT ships they extort their followers to pay for.

Someday we will have cleansed the middle east of all Muslims and Christianity will reign supreme once again like god intended.

Sorry but if you think Christians are free from terrorism, wake up, you're a fucking extremist the minuet you come out of the womb in america.

[JurisDictum]

Burning people alive -- for any reason -- is specifically forbidden in Quran. Just another clear example of how ISIL departs from the greater Islamic community.

[JurisDictum]

Christianity was founded in Rome, where law and order was established and Jesus was free to preach more specifically pacifist teachings (although only Eastern Orthodox and Quakers are the only real pacifists these days).

Islam couldn't ever been pacifist because it was created in an environment of dessert tribal warfare during the middle ages. Mohammad had to establish law and order himself to have any hope of creating the kind of society he envisioned.

But Islam does not promote expansion or killing anyone who isn't Muslim. The religion was traditionally used to establish law, order, and ethics. Just like any other religion, some have used it for their own political purposes...which lately has become anti-imperialism and this great imaginary battle between Islam and the West.

[Patriam1066]

Sad thread

Christians are nice as fuck

[JurisDictum]

Basically my Muslim theological knowledge comes from this dude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeE9K2wn5ck

That and what I've read about history and political science.

I don't think theology is normally worth getting into unless you are a believer and you find fulfillment in such stuff. But a lot of people in America believe Islam has theologically incited violence (not simply modern politics). So I spent a little time poking around the academic circles to see what they think on the issue. Basically there is no reason to assume a Muslim population is more prone to violence; nevertheless, the circumstances of many Muslim countries are very dire. Therefore, Muslim states tend to be more violent in modern times. But that is no reason to get bigoted about it and blame the religion.