Raiding Guild Behavior

[wrighter00]

I'll be blunt with this one. I've been told by Rustlers and Aftermathians that the only way to get respect and expect a fair raid scene is to compete in the races. That that is the best and fairest way. Immediately after that, you guys killed KT together. Sorry if it's hard to follow bipolar mindsets. Karana forbid we have any sort of agreement negotiations, but hey you guys go ahead and team up so that you have more chance of FTE. Oooooh so competative.

If some of you find the targets boring without competition, maybe it's time to pick a new game that's already competition based. It's not impressive or brag worthy that you have amazing gear unless you're using to out PvP other players. If you're really just wanting to try and kill targets with less and less people then it would be the EXACT SAME thing to kill it on a scheduled rotation time.

Every time any of you petition the GMs to solve your problems it's same thing as people lining up at the welfare office. At least we're approaching you guys directly.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll be blunt with this one. I've been told by Rustlers and Aftermathians that the only way to get respect and expect a fair raid scene is to compete in the races. That that is the best and fairest way. Immediately after that, you guys killed KT together. Sorry if it's hard to follow bipolar mindsets. Karana forbid we have any sort of agreement negotiations, but hey you guys go ahead and team up so that you have more chance of FTE. Oooooh so competative.

If some of you find the targets boring without competition, maybe it's time to pick a new game that's already competition based. It's not impressive or brag worthy that you have amazing gear unless you're using to out PvP other players. If you're really just wanting to try and kill targets with less and less people then it would be the EXACT SAME thing to kill it on a scheduled rotation time.

Every time any of you petition the GMs to solve your problems it's same thing as people lining up at the welfare office. At least we're approaching you guys directly.

What specifically is the problem you are trying to solve? Answer what specifically is the solution you are presenting?

I'm very confused by your series of posts. You seem frustrated and your arguments are all over the place. Maybe if we understood better we wouldn't be turning this into a back and forth bashing session.

[bktroost]

[QUOTE=bktroost;2494275] And* what specifically is the solution you are presenting? ./QUOTE]

Fixed. Stupid phone.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What specifically is the problem you are trying to solve? Answer what specifically is the solution you are presenting?

I'm very confused by your series of posts. You seem frustrated and your arguments are all over the place. Maybe if we understood better we wouldn't be turning this into a back and forth bashing session.

I'm trying to figure out why everyone on this server has to be abrasive towards each other instead of communicating and operating via diplomacy. Ever since forums of any variety were a thing on the internet, people have been assuming that people we pissed or frustrated about things. I've seen people argue and rage on fishing forums. You'd be hard pressed to find a person who can read another human being with out actual observation and body language etc. It's certainly not feasible to attempt to read someone form emotionless plain text on a screen. For example, I'm not frustrated or sitting here raging mad and breaking stuff in my house because of this game. :P I just don't understand how or why this server needs to be this dysfunctional.

As for my posts, they are an attempt to put into words a number of "disputes" (for lack of better words) that FoH has encountered. When you're new to a server and only met with abrasiveness, you tend to take on the cowboy stance a little. TBH a lot of members just want to raid classic content when they have time. We don't want to have petty schoolyard fights with people who have been playing on a time locked server for WAAAAY longer than the "classic" version of the game takes to complete.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm trying to figure out why everyone on this server has to be abrasive towards each other instead of communicating and operating via diplomacy. Ever since forums of any variety were a thing on the internet, people have been assuming that people we pissed or frustrated about things. I've seen people argue and rage on fishing forums. You'd be hard pressed to find a person who can read another human being with out actual observation and body language etc. It's certainly not feasible to attempt to read someone form emotionless plain text on a screen. For example, I'm not frustrated or sitting here raging mad and breaking stuff in my house because of this game. :P I just don't understand how or why this server needs to be this dysfunctional.

As for my posts, they are an attempt to put into words a number of "disputes" (for lack of better words) that FoH has encountered. When you're new to a server and only met with abrasiveness, you tend to take on the cowboy stance a little. TBH a lot of members just want to raid classic content when they have time. We don't want to have petty schoolyard fights with people who have been playing on a time locked server for WAAAAY longer than the "classic" version of the game takes to complete.

Apparently when you do try and be diplomatic and work it out with the people involved, someone still petitions you. What is great is that even the leaders of the guilds involved don't even know, or won't admit, who put in the petition.

Who wants to try and work things out when one side petitions even after getting a concession?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently when you do try and be diplomatic and work it out with the people involved, someone still petitions you. What is great is that even the leaders of the guilds involved don't even know, or won't admit, who put in the petition.

Who wants to try and work things out when one side petitions even after getting a concession?

isn't it a little hypocritical for you, Maner, to accuse anyone of arguing in bad faith?

[Ravager]

Don't train other raids and there would be nothing to work out.

[wrighter00]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What specifically is the problem you are trying to solve? Answer what specifically is the solution you are presenting?

I'm very confused by your series of posts. You seem frustrated and your arguments are all over the place. Maybe if we understood better we wouldn't be turning this into a back and forth bashing session.

Weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly rotations/picks. In the same way we have for A/A suspensions. Whatever time frame is easier to manage hands off. It's a little more legitimate talking to CSG about it or offering leniency than some of the others. Even something as simple as "hey, we have x number of members needing this item/target" "can you lay off it for a bit and we'll lay off this target for a bit?" Any communication is better than none.

Even a "Raid Discussion" agreement that was something a long the lines of bag limits. A point value set for each target and a set amount of points per guild/alliance to spend weekly or something like that. When your points are spent and targets dead for that week, send the troops off to exp or live their RL lives for the rest of the week.

Any option other than equating ourselves and guilds to lunchroom bullies taking all the lunch monies from the other kids for ourselves. Lately, more and more people have reached out or commented even on legitimate FoH farms and displaying overall frustration with the lack of available content for the influxes of new players.

[Sarl]

Originally Posted by wrighter00 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly rotations/picks. In the same way we have for A/A suspensions. Whatever time frame is easier to manage hands off. It's a little more legitimate talking to CSG about it or offering leniency than some of the others. Even something as simple as "hey, we have x number of members needing this item/target" "can you lay off it for a bit and we'll lay off this target for a bit?" Any communication is better than none.

Even a "Raid Discussion" agreement that was something a long the lines of bag limits. A point value set for each target and a set amount of points per guild/alliance to spend weekly or something like that. When your points are spent and targets dead for that week, send the troops off to exp or live their RL lives for the rest of the week.

Any option other than equating ourselves and guilds to lunchroom bullies taking all the lunch monies from the other kids for ourselves. Lately, more and more people have reached out or commented even on legitimate FoH farms and displaying overall frustration with the lack of available content for the influxes of new players.

I could do long but i ll do short cause my english is limited.

Why should people play like YOU wish when you're not trying to play how they wish to play ...

They were some "good" agreements & rotations like 3/4months ago (in my opinion obviously) but something happen ...

[Cecily]

Upset we didn't invite you? Well let me clarify something.. We will never respect you. You're bad at EQ and bad people too. Thanks for sharing that video Qani.