Child's tear question

[Gumbo]

I have a 38/39 level Shaman and I've recently lost interest in playing the character. I just know the more I use him, the more I'll want to get my epic and eventually, Torpor. And I just don't feel like spending the rest of my days playing and collecting 200K for these items.

I'm sure at some stage in my life I'll log him in again and use raise his level but mid-50's is the most I see myself using him.

[Cillaz]

The shaman epic, while it has increased in price, is still a very good buy for the money! When you look at the stats, the clickie and what it enables you to do, 60k is cheap! Yes it sucks to not be able to raid fear and get it, but it's not gonna change sadly.
If you join a guild, even a more casual one, you have a chance at golems and torpor, this is the best way. Save up all the while though, just incase! I don't think the epic is overpriced due to the toughness to get and how awesome it is. It's just how it is on this server.
My guild managed to get every shaman their epic via fear raids before the change. Since then we have only got a couple. It sucks, but it won't change. Go camp some loots, group in some dungeons and have fun while making pp to buy the epic.


Also - There's way better ways to make pp than seafuries! Especially as a shaman whose at the levels where they are farming for epic or torpor or w/e. I hate how people think the only way to make pp is seafuries. It's boring, heavily contested and brings out the worse in some people.
If you farm for epic pp at seafuries I can see why you get a bad view of high end eq as high end players! There's a lot of cool people and cool guilds out there!

[Queesha]

Originally Posted by Cillaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also - There's way better ways to make pp than seafuries! Especially as a shaman whose at the levels where they are farming for epic or torpor or w/e. I hate how people think the only way to make pp is seafuries. It's boring, heavily contested and brings out the worse in some people.
If you farm for epic pp at seafuries I can see why you get a bad view of high end eq as high end players! There's a lot of cool people and cool guilds out there!

Care to elaborate?

[Cillaz]

Also - you don't need 200k as a sham for epic/torpor.
Join a guild!!!!
If you join a guild, help people, raid etc etc then you will get these things via the guild and won't have to farm for hours for pp!
You will spend way more time farming pp for epic and torpor, than you would spend time raiding to earn the same stuff via a guild!

[icedwards]

Cillaz is right. Golems are going to be contested for a long time because of AoN's and puppet strings. Raid guilds burn through a lot of plat for recharges every week too which epic MQs help pay for. Join a guild or start farming plat if you want your epic.

[Lhancelot]

Just remove MQing. Make those poor raid guilds find other ways to make money to afford recharging all their clickies they need to lean on as crutches to raid successfully.

[nevilshute]

I also don't think you are doing yourself any favors by buying into the narrative of "woeth me! How can it be 200k to get a full spell book and epic on my shaman!" sniff sniff.

Like someone else said, join a guild! Interact with others and join raids and groups when you can. Most of this stuff is attainable this way. Find 1-2 groups and go do Guardian Wurms for spells. Maybe you'll get a Torpor that way? Or join groups in Sebilis for the same purpose. Does this mean that you will like have a torpor lying unscribed in your bag from lvl 40? No, you will likely be 59-60. Maybe you will even be 60 for a little while before you can get it.

[Lowako]

Trying to acquire things without friends in an MMO is typically going to be a lot more tedious or difficult than working together with friends or having others help you. Particularly end game items that come from monsters that are designed to be done in a group and raid setting. Getting torpor+child's tear is no different. I would suggest you make some friends - which I've personally found difficult in any online community in the last few years - to help you acquire these items. You can get 3-5 people together and camp something like Emperor in Sebilis for torpor, or guardian wurms, or if you have access to a CoTH mage you can do Tola+Protector in Trak's Lair for a chance at torpor. You can clear down to Trak's Lair as well, but that takes significantly more time and effort.

Unfortunately due to plane of fear golems being hotly contested because they now provide a chance at items other than child's tear (items of both immense value and power) it can be a lot harder to do this. Your best chance to acquire it normally would be to join a guild that kills or contests these golems regularly in hopes of getting a tear on the raid. If for some reason you are morally opposed or unable to raid (or a normal human being, raiding in everquest is mostly unenjoyable in this era. auto attacking a slowed monster to death isn't exactly the pinnacle of engaging raid content.) your only way to acquire the tear will be buying an MQ. Its just another unpleasant side effect of early everquest game design.

If you've managed to assemble a trustworthy crew of nerds, mustering up the funds to acquire an MQ will be much easier. Farming platinum with a duo or trio is far more efficient than doing it alone. And that's if you split the money. Its also far more fun. There are a lot of things in everquest that are mundane, tedious, boring, trivial, or a combination of all four. Having friends to chat with while doing these things makes them tolerable, memorable, and perhaps even enjoyable. If you have some trustworthy e-friends or guildmates that you play with regularly, there is a decent chance they won't mind loaning you some platinum.

If you make genuine friendships with people they typically won't have an issue with passing the big spells like torpor to you or loaning/helping you farm platinum to buy a Child's Tear MQ if raiding isn't a viable option. If you are unable to make friends, join a guild, or at the very least form a group of opportunistic acquaintances its going to make acquiring items that are designed around taking friends, a guild, or a band of opportunistic acquaintances far more difficult than normal.

[nevilshute]

@Lhancelot: I think you have made your view on this matter very clear and I don't begrudge you that view. You think it sucks that some items, that are very desired (ie. epic pieces) are bottlenecked due to being super contested. On the one hand I tend to agree, I have also felt frustrated at times. A friend of mine spent so much time trying to get Verina Tomb for his chanter epic and just never was able to, not because she is a difficult mob but purely because she was permacamped. On the other hand, I think that if we just wanted instanced content and easily have accessable anything we want then, well... that's not why I play EQ on P99. Like I stated previously EQ, in the era we are playing, always rewarded the most committed players. It's a difficult game to play SUPER casually if you really want stuff like epic items.

I also think you are being quite toxic in what you are writing. Name calling etc. really is the friend of no one.

[Nixtar]

Top heavy, long respawn, good loot table.

Change probably made more sense on Live but here on P99 there's a ton of 50+ shaman players. If this is your first shaman, join groups and duo. You will always be in high demand. Every time I removed the /anon or /roleplay I've gotten tells within a minute to join a group/duo with someone.

I realize I am suggesting you don't solo *gasp* but there it is... Hell, join a guild and you might just stumble over a golem or you get friends who will MQ it(it does happen).