Open Question to Blue's "Competitive" Raiders

[Metalopolis]

Originally Posted by Lemonhead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has red ever been truly competitive at the high end? In the years I've been around, it's always been 1 top guild with a few "pvp" guilds that dont raid really.

Group vs group or Raid vs raid actually sounds really cool, and could be balanced, albeit chaotic. For this to be truely great, you need 2 guilds on equal-ish footing though. Seems like such a waste to not have this happen. When populated, the top guild should have split, in an epic draft and fight, just for damn fun of it.

This is why EQ PvP was actually pretty great during the classic era. On Tallon Zek, for example, you always had two "Tier 1" guilds that were basically neck and neck, with anywhere from 3 to 6 "Tier 2" guilds chomping at the bit.

Velious is the beginning of the end of EQ PvP, in my opinion. NToV gear is so much stronger than anything that it totally upsets the balance. With 100HP and 15sv all on every item slot, there's little a Kunark-geared player can do to compete.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why EQ PvP was actually pretty great during the classic era. On Tallon Zek, for example, you always had two "Tier 1" guilds that were basically neck and neck, with anywhere from 3 to 6 "Tier 2" guilds chomping at the bit.

Velious is the beginning of the end of EQ PvP, in my opinion. NToV gear is so much stronger than anything that it totally upsets the balance. With 100HP and 15sv all on every item slot, there's little a Kunark-geared player can do to compete.

Unless you're Ragnaros

[Damn]

Originally Posted by Metalopolis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is why EQ PvP was actually pretty great during the classic era. On Tallon Zek, for example, you always had two "Tier 1" guilds that were basically neck and neck, with anywhere from 3 to 6 "Tier 2" guilds chomping at the bit.

Velious is the beginning of the end of EQ PvP, in my opinion. NToV gear is so much stronger than anything that it totally upsets the balance. With 100HP and 15sv all on every item slot, there's little a Kunark-geared player can do to compete.

This^

The only difference is on r99 there's always going to be one top end guild because of the nature of everquest there's maybe 8-10 people in the top guild that enjoy pvp the rest are in for raids pixels protection etc

Its an oppressive an environment because of the nature of velious gear and the fact that on this server the smaller more pvp oriented guilds are generally outcasted because they're the vocal minority of people that want to play counterstrike with elves which in my opinion is the most fun way to play the game but apparently for alot of people its not and unfortunately they gravitate towards these bigger guilds

Its all a bandwagon and even with a wipe things wont change they're be a top end guild and 1-2 small pvp guilds red servers are a self repeating cycle especially when the same 200 people continue to play them in whatever iteration they may be in

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by necro316 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

for me personally, I love the challenge of not knowing. Sitting on that starting line, for anywhere up to 1minute to 16hours, it's thrilling. I'll be there for 4-5 hours straight and I know any second the mob will spawn and the race is on. It's so much fun to just stare at my screen and wait in anticipation. I get to do this with multiple mobs a week, it's a great use of my time. When I do get that <FTE> message on an important mob like Gozzrem or Sevalak, and we pull that mob in to the camp, and i've spent 11 hours tracking it staring at my screen, and it drops some awesome loot for my guild that will really help us progress in the future. It's quite the feeling wouldn't change it for the world.

This is a post lathered with thick juicy satire. 10/10.

[Papa]

#rootthedragons #makeeverquestclassicagain

[Nitsude]

Death in EQ sucks. EQ PvP can be frustrating, because the game wasn't tuned around PvP balance. If someone wants to be a huge dick to you and inconvenience you it's very easy for them to do so in EQ PvP. This is why most people don't play on Red, and won't try it.

If Red was more like Rallos Zek was in '99 to '04, with top raiding guilds using PvP as politics instead of just rampant PvP, p99 Red would be far more successful, imo. TL;DR, EQ PvP is too unforgiving and frustrating for people who don't consider PvP their primary reason for playing.

[bigjerry]

hey guys im not gonna read it but let's have a good clean page 2

[Lojik]

I just don't think eq pvp is appealing... the % of p99ers who play red v. the % of eqers that were on a pvp server around 2000 are about the same. I think it's even worse on a stagnant server, and the effect compounds because people don't want to level on an empty box.

A fresh red server that was classic only would probs get a good pop.

[Naethyn]

For a bunch of people on blue it is about watching Detoxx lose/rage instead of pixels. Most of the top end would be in the same guild holding hands, bored, with a giant rotation if he has retired with Forsaken.

[Fifield]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For a bunch of people on blue it is about watching Detoxx lose/rage instead of pixels. Most of the top end would be in the same guild holding hands, bored, with a giant rotation if he has retired with Forsaken.

I mean, I am in his guild and I play for this same reason! Love getting him riled up, though he doesn't as much anymore. he's tamed down.

You play for the people, the poopsock and the rest just are the shit we put up with. If Detoxx wasnt so fun to game with we wouldn't have half the members we do.

I let Detoxx die ( unintentionally ) probably 2-3 times a night when we play DAOC, i always get "your the worst healer around" lol,