@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Sallan]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you looking for here Maner ? An apology ? Infernus gave a mob a shot, realized they were in over their heads and an hour passed with them not securing the mob. CSG got the fresh FTE and said hey infernus we'll show you some things on how we do this mob. Whats wrong with this? You're making mountains out of molehills

We've killed feshlak and other ntov mobs so we are well capable. Being light on numbers didn't help so we needed some assistance. Going past the hour wasn't intended (or expected from my view), but shit happens and then it finally executed.

Not going to comment further on this thread

[wrighter00]

This has all really just become one big argument over who KSed who's large rat back in the newbie zone that one time.

Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, Rush, Mario Kart. These are all great racing games that I'm not sure why some of you aren't playing instead. If this is where open world PvE MMORPGs have gone, g effin' g.

We haven't been to the Golems in like a month and since we got some SKs/Necros decked out. It's like the one thing though, within the server rules, where we can farm some DKP, get some loot and high value plat items, avoid the race lines, and have some fun. Just stay away please. I'm, personally, not playing Frogger with some of you every week to see who gets raid targets.

I'm sorry we can kill all your raid targets too, and just want to do it for fun sometimes. We have some nerve asking people to share. <3

[Phantasm]

They gave it their best shot, ultimately not resulting in a kill. If another guild wants to offer a guild that failed already a shot at success who are you to say otherwise ? Thats how you learn man, not by having neckbeards breathing down your neck while they count out your stopwatch. THey were offered an opportunity to kill a mob that they failed on. The fact they got no loot is beside the point. THey gained experience and vital time on target, perhaps enabling them success in the future.

[Tasslehofp99]

This thread needs to be cleansed with fire.

[Phantasm]

So say its 3AM and a mob spawns and no guild gets enough to successfully perform the encounter. Guild A gives the mob a shot, and ultimately fails. Guild B gets their shot, and is also unable to kill the target. What you're saying is Guild A/B are not allowed to work together to kill the target? What?

Maybe what you're trying to convey is say AG gets FTE on something and then Omni gets FTE on something else. In my eyes they are separate entities that convene to kill targets. What you're saying is ??? I don't even know.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Phantasm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So say its 3AM and a mob spawns and no guild gets enough to successfully perform the encounter. Guild A gives the mob a shot, and ultimately fails. Guild B gets their shot, and is also unable to kill the target. What you're saying is Guild A/B are not allowed to work together to kill the target? What?

Maybe what you're trying to convey is say AG gets FTE on something and then Omni gets FTE on something else. In my eyes they are separate entities that convene to kill targets. What you're saying is ??? I don't even know.

Easy to make an exception in this case, but when has it honestly been a reality?

The CSG combining for some kills but doing others alone has been a problem in the past. I don't think they have tried to split apart for anything in ToV though as they rarely try to really race for stuff.

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

could you give an example of a high end guild using an alt guild like this? Or even two guilds specifically connected like this? Certainly we could do something if manipulation like these were occurring.

not saying it is happening right now, just that it opens the door for it to occur. How would you police this? unless you expect the gms to check the IP for anyone who gets a FTE message? i mean sure its possible, but it seems like a lot of extra work.

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread and gave me cancer now

Seems like a real stupid thing to say, for you especially, zekay....

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The CSG combining for some kills but doing others alone has been a problem in the past. I don't think they have tried to split apart for anything in ToV though as they rarely try to really race for stuff.

what server do you play on? On p99 blue i have 10+ people every week from AG alone in ToV racing/tracking...almost without exception.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Easy to make an exception in this case, but when has it honestly been a reality?

The CSG combining for some kills but doing others alone has been a problem in the past. I don't think they have tried to split apart for anything in ToV though as they rarely try to really race for stuff.



not saying it is happening right now, just that it opens the door for it to occur. How would you police this? unless you expect the gms to check the IP for anyone who gets a FTE message? i mean sure its possible, but it seems like a lot of extra work.



Seems like a real stupid thing to say, for you especially, zekay....

Auto correct -_- hate being on mobile

[Zekayy]

This thread and gave me cancer now

[Pizoi]

Current rules are fine and fair. If the staff wants the smaller guilds to get more loot, all they need to do is do more quakes.

You can't come to the big boys with a tin cup in your filthy hands and expect us to just start giving away top raid targets. It takes a lot of effort to be a top raiding guild, it's absurd to expect some sort of even split of mobs or bag limit while only putting in 10% (being generous here) of the effort that we do.