Shocking leaked image shows spirit of compromise on p99 in A/A's absence!

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not hypocrisy its a simple judgement call. The current server rules favour poopsocking combined with high availability and actively prohibit scheduled raiding. And that's the core difference here. It's nothing to do with being able to race FTE or not, as many have said, anyone can participate in that.

But being able to get 40 people online within 1 hour is not viable for a lot of guild set ups. Heck it's not even desireable for most guilds even if it was viable.

So the judgement call is this. Keep the server rules as they are, favour poopsocking and pander to less than 200 people. Or change the rules, require rotation, and favour 2500 people.

1. As you all have seen, aside from 5 mobs, 40 people is overkill for most content.

2. If you cant field 40 all hours, thats fine. You set up and try your luck at winning an FTE during your guilds prime time. Once that window has expired, call it a day.

Im open to discussion between all guilds but to expect a full out rotation is highly unlikely.

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. As you all have seen, aside from 5 mobs, 40 people is overkill for most content.

2. If you cant field 40 all hours, thats fine. You set up and try your luck at winning an FTE during your guilds prime time. Once that window has expired, call it a day.

Im open to discussion between all guilds but to expect a full out rotation is highly unlikely.

You do love a good strawman argument.

In order for the server to offer raid content throughout a week (so that it might somehow coincide with a guild scheduling raid time) is minimum of 11 weeks and would require at least one mob killed in the initial window to spawn in the first hour of its repop window every single week AND at least one mob killed in the initial window to spawn at its latest repop window every single week.

And even after those 11 weeks, the statistical chance that this happened and there is a content window open 24/7 through a week is still very low (less than 2%).

When did P99 last stay online, not reset and not repopped for 11 weeks?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do love a good strawman argument.

In order for the server to offer raid content throughout a week (so that it might somehow coincide with a guild scheduling raid time) is minimum of 11 weeks and would require at least one mob killed in the initial window to spawn in the first hour of its repop window every single week AND at least one mob killed in the initial window to spawn at its latest repop window every single week.

And even after those 11 weeks, the statistical chance that this happened and there is a content window open 24/7 through a week is still very low (less than 2%).

When did P99 last stay online, not reset and not repopped for 11 weeks?

I'm trying but none of this makes sense. There's 40 or more raid mobs, you're telling me there's a 2% chance that any one will spawn in prime time on any week? Regardless, p99 has gone WELL over 11 weeks without a reset of any form more times than I can remeber it not.

[Andos]

Originally Posted by EdTuBrutus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not hypocrisy its a simple judgement call. The current server rules favour poopsocking combined with high availability and actively prohibit scheduled raiding. And that's the core difference here. It's nothing to do with being able to race FTE or not, as many have said, anyone can participate in that.

But being able to get 40 people online within 1 hour is not viable for a lot of guild set ups. Heck it's not even desireable for most guilds even if it was viable.

So the judgement call is this. Keep the server rules as they are, favour poopsocking and pander to less than 200 people. Or change the rules, require rotation, and favour 2500 people.

It would certainly favor more than 2500 since you'd likely see more joining/coming back to the server.

[lonmoer]

Love watching all these neck beards who are so proud of not having jobs and being able to play this game all day. And to the losers who play this game at work? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you.

[Joyelle]

Hippos gonna crit, man.

[Breaken]

I also have heard from multiple guild leaders that these "agreements" made over the last few days were not as peachy as you all say they were. I won't out these leaders nor the guild, but I believe my sources.

[Sallan]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also have heard from multiple guild leaders that these "agreements" made over the last few days were not as peachy as you all say they were. I won't out these leaders nor the guild, but I believe my sources.

I'll chime in a bit on this since I'm involved in the discussions. We came in to the party a little late and were the underdogs (non alliance), so some selections were a little difficult until we proved ourselves capable. I can't speak so much about the other party but that's more or less how it was for Infernus.

Also, the quake took most of us off-guard and that caused a little delay/confusion with the re-selection of mobs but given the time and how quickly we adopted, I'd say the leaders did a good job in agreeing once again to the mob distribution. Mind you this is new for majority of us coming together so albeit it's not perfect, it worked.

In the end a lot of "proving our mettle" has been done. From here on should there be a situation like this again, I can safely say that these guilds involved can very quickly come to an arrangement since the foundation has been laid

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Breaken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also have heard from multiple guild leaders that these "agreements" made over the last few days were not as peachy as you all say they were. I won't out these leaders nor the guild, but I believe my sources.

Our agreement was not perfect, but we did not need pages of rules to make it happen.

It happened based on good faith, respect, trust, and wanting to have a fun time and we did not resort to name calling or insults. Give it a try.

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