Shocking leaked image shows spirit of compromise on p99 in A/A's absence!

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys clamor and rave about how you don't want us to push our playstyle on you, which I whole heartedly respect, but then you turn around and try to force your playstyle on us. I know, for a fact, that A LOT of people, myself included, play this game still for the competition involved in racing. You take that away, a lot of people quit.

No way is the right way but hypocrisy certainly isnt going to work. Yes, staring for 16 hours sucks but contrary to popular belief, 95% of A/A dont do it for 16 hours. They do it for a few hours at a clip and call it a day. Ironically, every guild and every member of every guild is afforded the same option.

How many people have quit due to "competitive" raiding completely blocking them from content?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many people have quit due to "competitive" raiding completely blocking them from content?

who is completely blocked from raiding? the current incarnation of the rules makes it the same playing field for everyone willing to put forth the time investment. Maybe raiding on P99 just isn't for you if you aren't willing to make the effort or put forth the time. What about P99 says everyone who creates a character will be able to experience every aspect of the game at the pace they want?

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who is completely blocked from raiding? the current incarnation of the rules makes it the same playing field for everyone willing to put forth the time investment. Maybe raiding on P99 just isn't for you if you aren't willing to make the effort or put forth the time. What about P99 says everyone who creates a character will be able to experience every aspect of the game at the pace they want?

The rules completely block them from raiding because they would need 24 hours (possibly 48) to schedule enough people to be available even if they got the FTE. They don't, they get 1 hour.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe raiding on P99 just isn't for you?

It's true, sitting around watching paint dry is indeed not for everyone. Most folks look at that and say, "Nope."

Danth

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who is completely blocked from raiding? the current incarnation of the rules makes it the same playing field for everyone willing to put forth the time investment. Maybe raiding on P99 just isn't for you if you aren't willing to make the effort or put forth the time. What about P99 says everyone who creates a character will be able to experience every aspect of the game at the pace they want?

Don't play that shit with me. I was TMO. I know how it works. If you guys only step up and put forth the absolutely insane level of dedication we do, you can get dragons too. It's a broken system. You kids really need to learn to share your toys and quit destroying your lives.

[Breaken]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't play that shit with me. I was TMO. I know how it works. Lol effort.

So you are saying you did this, and it was okay. It isn't now because you grew tired of it.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about P99 says everyone who creates a character will be able to experience every aspect of the game at the pace they want?

Apart from the strawman you pulled out of your ass right there - P99 is a server that's supposed to be as close to classic as possible.

So to ignore that obvious strawman and answer the relevant question you accidentally asked - "what about P99 says?"

Answer: Rotations and lists were classic and your FTE alt tabbing bind sighting lawyerquesting skype sharing BS racing is not. Now I'm not suggesting any particular change here because I don't really care just answering the question you accidentally asked.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apart from the strawman you pulled out of your ass right there - P99 is a server that's supposed to be as close to classic as possible.

So to ignore that obvious strawman and answer the relevant question you accidentally asked - "what about P99 says?"

Answer: Rotations and lists were classic and your FTE alt tabbing bind sighting lawyerquesting skype sharing BS racing is not. Now I'm not suggesting any particular change here because I don't really care just answering the question you accidentally asked.

All guilds not seeing content was also classic. These rotations you speak of on live happened as the top guilds moved on to the next expansion.

[Bubbles]

I'll just say this. If you want to argue that you are better at following the rules, thats great. You are also the reason the rules are in place. So don't expect a gold star and a thumbs up.

You want to say casuals did it with large massive turnouts. We did.

I saw a world where Infernus handled *anything* they were given.

I saw a world where kittens were fighting dragons.

I saw a world where pantless conga lines in TOV took place between pulls.

I saw a world where everyone managed to kill each other with Ice Burrowers, and then people got ressed instead of death threats and gruff.

I saw a world where dragons died and kids got bedtime stories in the same day.

I saw a world where guides and gms came in to hang out just to see what was going on.. Cuz their petition queues were light and they werent getting 5k word essays in purple text for the play-by-play of whom was infringing upon whom's pixel acquisition.

If anything should scare A / A, its the fact that people had a good time temporarily and great fun was had with the absolute bare minimum gm involvement.

< Spoiler Alert >It's Rogean's server.. And god forbid he wakes up some morning and decides 1 of 2 things.

1 . ) He would have to consider Forum Troll assertions that :Rustle and CSG if left alone would just strong arm and lawyerquest the same way A / A did over a period of time.. .... It has merit, but if your best argument is 'DUDE THEY MIGHT ONE DAY ACTUALLY BE AS TERRIBLE AS US' ....Then that is simply a laughably weak argument.

2 . ) He might say screw it and just pull the plug on the server.... Nilbog wanted to make classic eq. And he did. Game Over.

or hell, since it's RnF

3. ) Wake up one morning and just xfer both guilds in their entirety to Red99. Because the only thing better than FTE is LTE. And there is nothing more fun for competitive guilds than competing against a known entity thats spent the last few years cornering the market on pumice stones and root nets and the like, while farming every raid mob they've wanted. Divine Justice, one could argue. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[EdTuBrutus]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys clamor and rave about how you don't want us to push our playstyle on you, which I whole heartedly respect, but then you turn around and try to force your playstyle on us. I know, for a fact, that A LOT of people, myself included, play this game still for the competition involved in racing. You take that away, a lot of people quit.

No way is the right way but hypocrisy certainly isnt going to work. Yes, staring for 16 hours sucks but contrary to popular belief, 95% of A/A dont do it for 16 hours. They do it for a few hours at a clip and call it a day. Ironically, every guild and every member of every guild is afforded the same option.

It's not hypocrisy its a simple judgement call. The current server rules favour poopsocking combined with high availability and actively prohibit scheduled raiding. And that's the core difference here. It's nothing to do with being able to race FTE or not, as many have said, anyone can participate in that.

But being able to get 40 people online within 1 hour is not viable for a lot of guild set ups. Heck it's not even desireable for most guilds even if it was viable.

So the judgement call is this. Keep the server rules as they are, favour poopsocking and pander to less than 200 people. Or change the rules, require rotation, and favour 2500 people.